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A Polite Liberal?

I consider myself to be a moderate on most political issues, but a recent run in with a self-proclaimed liberal at a local restaraunt got me to thinking... I have never once come across a polite liberal.

This latest incident was in a nearly full parking lot. I pulled into a parking spot and immediately heard honking. This old guy in a beatup Neon that looked about 10 years old was banging on his steering wheel and eye balling me. I asked what the problem is and he begans shouting that pickups arent allowed into these parking spots. He insisted vehemently that they were for "green cars" and that I should move.

When I asked where there was anything that labeled these spots as such.. he told me to look at how tight the parking spots were and that I'm an idiot. I laughed it off and began walking around his car to get to the restaraunt. He then took notice of my Air Force sticker on my bumper and started shouting about baby killers and what not. I took the time to get his plates in case he tried anything on my truck and noticed an Obama and a Gore sticker on his bumper.

This is only the latest incident but I have had similar run ins with liberals before.

Now on the other hand,when I first got on base, there was no end to the amount of conservative families that would offer me help, offer me rides , etc. They will go out of their way to help you out and at the same time not try to force their ideology on you. Very selfless people.

Has anyond else had similar experiences?
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I don't know what you want to accomplish here. Like, what, talk about annoying liberals? We can all bring up anecdotes about bad experiences all day, but you really can't make generalizations from them. I've met conservatives in college that yelled at me for not hating taxes, but then not understanding they were in a subsidized college.

I also dealt with a cliche elderly liberal nutbag literature teacher multiple times due to the that she taught classes I needed to take to graduate. I wanted to quote a relevant Churchill saying to a reading, and she yelled at me for it, asking "What good did that man ever do? She also offended me one time for applying western feminist ideology to how women work in Vietnam, basically calling the women there "childish" and "slaves" when it was clear she had no idea how the culture worked there.

But you know, my first job outside of working at my dad's burger place was given to me by a Jewish liberal rhetoric professor. He thought I'd be a good English tutor and he was right; I'm wrapping up my Master's degree and I hope to get a teaching job this fall. He worked his ass off to get funding for the tutoring center and empowered students to see that they can be good essay writers, regardless of their background or education. While other teachers said they encouraged PC-ness and multiculturalism, that man walked the walk every day. He wrote a whole dictionary on the ghetto language in urban blacks, and black students related to him more than some black professors. His wife was a black ballerina and two of his three kids were adopted from China. He was hugely liberal and post-modern, but he could back it up with real life experience from his time as a marine and strong critical thinking skills. He wasn't a perfect man, and sometimes his PC-ness irked me, but he really taught me that a good life is a life spent serving humanity in some significant way, even if it's just donating blood once a month (which is what I try to do right now). Most true liberals I know have this masochistic streak for fighting for social change, and I respect those people, even if I feel they take stuff too seriously sometimes.

And I had rednecks in my hometown that were just as cool as the people you mentioned as well, so I don't know what to say. This is probably going to turn into another anecdotal bash thread and my post will get drowned out, but I gave up making assumptions about people due to their political associations a long time ago. It just gives people another unneeded reason to be assholes.
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=This is probably going to turn into another anecdotal bash thread and my post will get drowned out, but I gave up making assumptions about people due to their political associations a long time ago. It just gives people another unneeded reason to be assholes.

EVERY thread in this forum turns into an anecdotal bashing thread.
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I often find that people who make an outward showing of being environmentally and socially responsible and caring often behave like assholes to anyone they feel is beneath them. It's almost as if driving a Prius with Obama stickers, recycling, putting in low wattage bulbs, volunteering once a year at the homeless shelter...gives them a license to be a complete assholes and otherwise lead a decadent life when they're not actively doing these things.

edit- my theory is that these people were picked on as children, and never quite fit in anywhere and they're angry about it.
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This is the kind of intolerant extremism that occurs when people associate themselves only with like-minded others -- which is the consequence of a weak-mindedness which desires social proof for one's opinions.

They reinforce each other's convictions, and over time there is a drift towards radicalization.

There's a word for this phenomenon that I can't think of right now. Psychologists help me out here.
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Dude as has been said, people here can give you anecdotal evidence for or against this. so why bother.

I've met liberal douchebags who would argue the benefits of marx and socialism while going out and buying 200 dollar designer pants made in a third world hell hole. At the same time, ive been harassed and threatened by conservative (mostly christian conservatives) for being different, valuing education, beliving in sound scientific theory (evolution comes to mind) and not believing that we are living in the end of days and going to church every day. Ask me about christian and or conservatives and ill probably come up with a thousand "bad" stories, ask me about Liberal stories, and i got a few. but that doesn't mean that there aren't some annoying ass liberals.



so in short, let me sum up my argument with this statement


ASSHOLES ARE EVERYWHERE
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People with bumper stickers are all assholes.
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This is the kind of intolerant extremism that occurs when people associate themselves only with like-minded others -- which is the consequence of a weak-mindedness which desires social proof for one's opinions.

They reinforce each other's convictions, and over time there is a drift towards radicalization.

There's a word for this phenomenon that I can't think of right now. Psychologists help me out here.

It's called ignorance/stupidity.


I run into it from both sides. More from the left as they have more issues to get all pretentious about.

Right is mostly religion based and is handed down for generations.
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People with bumper stickers are all assholes.

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anyone who associates enough with a political party to try to in any way meld politics with their daily life (including putting a sticker on their car) is a fucking jackass.
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He was hugely liberal and post-modern, but he could back it up with real life experience from his time as a marine and strong critical thinking skills.

i didn't get this sentence. what does "real life experience" as opposed to "fake life experience" mean? what does being a marine have to do with either?
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i didn't get this sentence. what does "real life experience" as opposed to "fake life experience" mean? what does being a marine have to do with either?

Whenever he held an opinion on something, he didn't just pull justification from academic theory on race or gender politics or whatever. Instead of saying, "NO BLOOD FOR OIL" he'd criticize how the military was being used on the War on Terror. He actually understood how the military conducted itself and how it could be best used. I'm not saying he was a 4-star general, but he knew the situation more than most people in my college. I honestly don't remember the topics he argued, as I was only on the periphery when he'd make those arguments. Still, he did more than chant a slogan, and I respected that.

I also remember a time when he asked me to do something I was originally uncomfortable with. I tutored this black girl from Philadelphia, Kesha, about twice a week on her essay writing. Like a lot of black female students I dealt with, she was very motivated and eager to participate in the sessions. Halfway through the semester, my boss wanted me to invite her on as a tutor. I was a senior tutor, and he wanted me to convince her to volunteer here. Essentially, he was trying to bring in more color to the center. He spent a good amount of time in ghettos and understood that a lot of black students had really low self-esteem when it came to their writing, and they were embarrassed to even get help on it. Having Kesha there would make blacks more comfortable with coming in and getting help, and like any other tutor, if Kesha had a problem she couldn't fix, she could always ask a coworker.

I really didn't like this idea because even though Kesha was a great person to work with, she had major problems with grammar and organization. But I extended the offer to her anyway after our next session. Kesha looked at me cock-eyed but tried it out anyway. After two days she knew the job wasn't right for her and she was smart enough to pull out. To this day my boss's order never sat right with me, but I could see where he was coming from. Even though black students can sometimes tap into scholarships more than whites, the college environment is still pretty alien and stacked against the average urban black student, and my boss did everything he could to try to help them out and push them academically, even if some initiatives blew up in his face. Also, this was just an example that stuck out in my head about how my boss thought and acted, so let's please not turn this into an affirmative action debate.
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Whenever he held an opinion on something, he didn't just pull justification from academic theory on race or gender politics or whatever. Instead of saying, "NO BLOOD FOR OIL" he'd criticize how the military was being used on the War on Terror. He actually understood how the military conducted itself and how it could be best used. I'm not saying he was a 4-star general, but he knew the situation more than most people in my college. I honestly don't remember the topics he argued, as I was only on the periphery when he'd make those arguments. Still, he did more than chant a slogan, and I respected that.

I also remember a time when he asked me to do something I was originally uncomfortable with. I tutored this black girl from Philadelphia, Kesha, about twice a week on her essay writing. Like a lot of black female students I dealt with, she was very motivated and eager to participate in the sessions. Halfway through the semester, my boss wanted me to invite her on as a tutor. I was a senior tutor, and he wanted me to convince her to volunteer here. Essentially, he was trying to bring in more color to the center. He spent a good amount of time in ghettos and understood that a lot of black students had really low self-esteem when it came to their writing, and they were embarrassed to even get help on it. Having Kesha there would make blacks more comfortable with coming in and getting help, and like any other tutor, if Kesha had a problem she couldn't fix, she could always ask a coworker.

I really didn't like this idea because even though Kesha was a great person to work with, she had major problems with grammar and organization. But I extended the offer to her anyway after our next session. Kesha looked at me cock-eyed but tried it out anyway. After two days she knew the job wasn't right for her and she was smart enough to pull out. To this day my boss's order never sat right with me, but I could see where he was coming from. Even though black students can sometimes tap into scholarships more than whites, the college environment is still pretty alien and stacked against the average urban black student, and my boss did everything he could to try to help them out and push them academically, even if some initiatives blew up in his face. Also, this was just an example that stuck out in my head about how my boss thought and acted, so let's please not turn this into an affirmative action debate.

ok, first - nothing against your professor.

second - you did not answer my question in the slightest. my question was not about him. it was about your phrasing, that's all. my question was what the difference between "real life experience" and "fake life experience" was, and what being a marine has to do with either - and you did not answer any of that, you just told a couple facts about him.

and one other thing. i recognize, and agree with the statement, that chanting slogans is immature, by no means qualifies as an argument, and should not be respected. but there is a big span between chanting slogans, and an "academic theory". furthermore - what exactly are you referring to as "academic theories", and what makes you think that arguments put forth in the academia are less based on facts than personal experience? (not to mention that theories are tested by experiment, and only by experiment).

again, note, this is pretty irrelevant to the topic, ur post just caught my eye and i figured i'd follow up on it.

on topic: it's blatantly obvious that there are impolite jackasses in all political camps, and i highly doubt that the fraction of impolite jackasses in one camp is significantly higher than the other. i can't prove this statement, but i know of no evidence that would suggest it to be false.
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Whenever he held an opinion on something, he didn't just pull justification from academic theory on race or gender politics or whatever. Instead of saying, "NO BLOOD FOR OIL" he'd criticize how the military was being used on the War on Terror. He actually understood how the military conducted itself and how it could be best used. I'm not saying he was a 4-star general, but he knew the situation more than most people in my college. I honestly don't remember the topics he argued, as I was only on the periphery when he'd make those arguments. Still, he did more than chant a slogan, and I respected that.

I also remember a time when he asked me to do something I was originally uncomfortable with. I tutored this black girl from Philadelphia, Kesha, about twice a week on her essay writing. Like a lot of black female students I dealt with, she was very motivated and eager to participate in the sessions. Halfway through the semester, my boss wanted me to invite her on as a tutor. I was a senior tutor, and he wanted me to convince her to volunteer here. Essentially, he was trying to bring in more color to the center. He spent a good amount of time in ghettos and understood that a lot of black students had really low self-esteem when it came to their writing, and they were embarrassed to even get help on it. Having Kesha there would make blacks more comfortable with coming in and getting help, and like any other tutor, if Kesha had a problem she couldn't fix, she could always ask a coworker.

I really didn't like this idea because even though Kesha was a great person to work with, she had major problems with grammar and organization. But I extended the offer to her anyway after our next session. Kesha looked at me cock-eyed but tried it out anyway. After two days she knew the job wasn't right for her and she was smart enough to pull out. To this day my boss's order never sat right with me, but I could see where he was coming from. Even though black students can sometimes tap into scholarships more than whites, the college environment is still pretty alien and stacked against the average urban black student, and my boss did everything he could to try to help them out and push them academically, even if some initiatives blew up in his face. Also, this was just an example that stuck out in my head about how my boss thought and acted, so let's please not turn this into an affirmative action debate.

If you lack the self esteem, you simply have a weak mind. Im not saying there isn't potential for people, but to say there is anything stacked against blacks is just fucking old as balls, and just makes me say.



edit: Im not turning this into an 'affirmative action thread', the statement applies to anyone and everyone. In fact it coincides perfectly with the topic in that most liberals think this is a nation that favors certain groups.
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I consider myself to be a moderate on most political issues, but a recent run in with a self-proclaimed liberal at a local restaraunt got me to thinking... I have never once come across a polite liberal.

This latest incident was in a nearly full parking lot. I pulled into a parking spot and immediately heard honking. This old guy in a beatup Neon that looked about 10 years old was banging on his steering wheel and eye balling me. I asked what the problem is and he begans shouting that pickups arent allowed into these parking spots. He insisted vehemently that they were for "green cars" and that I should move.

When I asked where there was anything that labeled these spots as such.. he told me to look at how tight the parking spots were and that I'm an idiot. I laughed it off and began walking around his car to get to the restaraunt. He then took notice of my Air Force sticker on my bumper and started shouting about baby killers and what not. I took the time to get his plates in case he tried anything on my truck and noticed an Obama and a Gore sticker on his bumper.

This is only the latest incident but I have had similar run ins with liberals before.

Now on the other hand,when I first got on base, there was no end to the amount of conservative families that would offer me help, offer me rides , etc. They will go out of their way to help you out and at the same time not try to force their ideology on you. Very selfless people.

Has anyond else had similar experiences?
It's one person, who cares? Do those conservative people on base support "nice" policies?
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This is the kind of intolerant extremism that occurs when people associate themselves only with like-minded others -- which is the consequence of a weak-mindedness which desires social proof for one's opinions.

They reinforce each other's convictions, and over time there is a drift towards radicalization.

There's a word for this phenomenon that I can't think of right now. Psychologists help me out here.
American liberals are anything but "radical"
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