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i think he means iraqi civilians, included

Afghanistan total deaths is 981 for the USA, 1631 for the coalition.

Iraq total deaths is 4375 for the USA, 4693 for the coalition.

http://icasualties.org/
we still havent killed a million people. not possible. we didnt even kill a million in vietnam.

granted its a disproportionate ratio of us to them, but still. a million is alot of people
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we still havent killed a million people. not possible. we didnt even kill a million in vietnam.

granted its a disproportionate ratio of us to them, but still. a million is alot of people

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/deathcount/explanation

basically, they just assume everyone that died in iraq since march 2003 would still be alive today, living happily in the land of milk and heineken

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The ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded, in fifteen of the eighteen governorates within Iraq, between August 12 and August 19, 2007.
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http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/deathcount/explanation

basically, they just assume everyone that died in iraq since march 2003 would still be alive today, living happily in the land of milk and heineken
thats a better kill to death ratio than vietnam was. Go us
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thats a better kill to death ratio than vietnam was. Go us

by my calculations, your personal body count was in the tens of thousands

yut
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by my calculations, your personal body count was in the tens of thousands

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my time in afghanistan was very similar to rambos time in afghanistan
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I'm not gonna lie, I read this thread twice and I don't see any explicit racism. I saw references to the poor that could have probably been construed as implicit racism but that would be a stretch considering the context.

and Patriotic Eagle, do you have any support for this "million" that we apparently killed? Is that Iraq and Afghanistan? I think a million is a bit of a long shot.

When you blame a major economic crisis precipitated primarily by rich whites on poor blacks, that is racism, I don't understand how this is even controversial. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.
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he doesn't care about coalition deaths. american lives are worthless compared to iraqis because we're all racist while all iraqis are innocent, peace loving snuggle bunnies.
Please don't hurt the feelings of volunteer state murderers.

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his figure assumes that every single death in iraq since the invasion, be it from a car accident or lack of medical care, can be attributed to the invasion itself. even if that death would have happened regardless. even if that death would have happened anyways but was actually postponed by the effects of the invasion.

The majority of causes of death listed in both the Lancet and ORB were directly from violence.
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patriotic eagle is trollin' and rollin'

I'm not trolling at all.
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Nice, more classic Gen[M]ay humor that has made this forum such a hit.

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I knew he was a bit of a ponce, but what's with the monocle?
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When you blame a major economic crisis precipitated primarily by rich whites on poor blacks, that is racism, I don't understand how this is even controversial. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Because being poor and black completely absolves one of any responsibility whatsoever in making decisions.

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Please don't hurt the feelings of volunteer state murderers.
As long as you promise not to hurt the feelings of volunteer muslim murderers.
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The majority of causes of death listed in both the Lancet and ORB were directly from violence.
Even if that violence was completely unrelated. Oh but wait, when a foreign country invades, killing someone because he owed you money can be totally blamed on that country.
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Patriotic Eagle takes the whole "blame the US" thing way too far, but I think there's some validity in pointing out that the US does face some blame for US actions that result in widespread lawlessness and violence. If we went and just removed the government of say, Egypt, for the hell of it and then 500,000 Egyptians killed each other in the resulting chaos, we'd be partially responsible for that. Sure we didn't murder those people directly, but our actions created the situation that allowed it to happen.

Iraq isn't so different. We didn't need to take out Saddam, and we bungled the rebuilding and stabilization efforts afterwards. All that led to the creation of an extremely violent state for some years there, and some of that has to get laid at our feet. At least we seem to have fixed it in the end, so hopefully those deaths don't end up being in vain.
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