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"Below is the letter written to Jeff Severinghaus, and his response:


Dear Jeff,

I read your article "What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming?" You mention that CO2 does not initiate warmings, but may amplify warmings that are already underway. The obvious question comes up as to whether or not CO2 levels also lag periods when cooling begins after a warming cycle…even one of 5,000 years?

If CO2 levels on planet Earth also lag the cooling periods, then how can it be that CO2 levels are causally related to terrestrial heating periods at all? I am not sure what the ice core records are related the time response of CO2 to the cooling trends. If there is also a lag in CO2 levels behind a cooling period, then it appears that CO2 levels not only do not initiate warming periods but are also unrelated to the onset of cooling periods. It would appear that the actual CO2 levels are rather impotent as an amplifier either way…warming or cooling. We are talking about planet Earth after all and not Venus whose atmospheric pressure is many times larger than Earth's.

If there is also a time lag upon the onset of cooling, then it appears that some other mechanism actually drives the temperature changes. So what is the time difference between CO2 levels during the onset of a cooling period at the end of a warming period and the time history of the temperature changes in the ice cores?

Dear John,

The coolings appear to be caused primarily and initially by increase in the Earth-Sun distance during northern hemisphere summer, (that would be insolation limpdick)due to changes in the Earth's orbit. As the orbit is not round, but elliptical, sunshine is weaker during some parts of the year than others. This is the so-called Milankovitch hypothesis [this really should say "theory" — eric], which you may have heard about. Just as in the warmings, CO2 lags the coolings by a thousand years or so, in some cases as much as three thousand years.

But do not make the mistake of assuming that these warmings and coolings must have a single cause. It is well known that multiple factors are involved, including the change in planetary albedo, change in nitrous oxide concentration, change in methane concentration, and change in CO2 concentration. I know it is intellectually satisfying to identify a single cause for some observed phenomenon, but that unfortunately is not the way Nature works much of the time.(but is the way that global warming junk science operates)

Nor is there any requirement that a single cause operate throughout the entire 5000 - year long warming trends, and the 70,000 year cooling trends.

Thus it is not logical to argue that, because CO2 does not cause the first thousand years or so of warming, nor the first thousand years of cooling, it cannot have caused part of the many thousands of years of warming in between."

I'll ask you again to stop putting inflammatory comments like "bitch" in your posts. It demeans your position by making it look like you have to resort to name-calling to win an argument.

Regarding your letter. Jeff himself admits the CO2 can amplify warming so you've already proved yourself wrong.

But let's pretend you didn't blantantly contradict yourself and suppose that the cause of the cooling and warming is Earth-Sun distance. If Earth-Sun distance were the cause of warming, you'd expect that night time temperatures would not change significantly over time since at night the earth is not being exposed to solar radiation.

Let's look at the data:


Source: ipcc.ch (text and arrows added for emphasis of time periods; data was collected at 202 different biological stations around the globe)

What we see is a trend towards fewer colder nights and greater warmer nights over the past 100 years. This result is consistent with a hypothesis that considers greenhouse gases to be a factor in warming and inconsistent with a hypothesis that considers Earth-Sun distance to be the only factor in warming. We must therefore reject Earth-Sun distance as the only cause of warming/cooling.
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as my new bitch you are championing Postal??
Sorry ass bandit, the majority of CLIMATE specialists says global warming is not supported.

Why would I champion someone like Postal? I was simply pointing out that in this case you're going up against the majority - something you've criticized others for.

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The lead man for the IPCC 1 0r 2 report resigned in protest when the POLITICIANS claimed it was proof of man made warming
Don't mislead. He quit because he disagreed with the fact that people were blaming hurricane activity on global warming.

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but I ask once again. have we increased in temps since 1950?
yes or no( you seemed to like that format earlier)
The ocean has increased in temperature. So, yes.
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Hey bitch

I asked you a quetion

are we warmer now than in 1950?

Do you have a problem answering a question based on your criteria
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but I ask once again. have we increased in temps since 1950?
yes or no( you seemed to like that format earlier)
the answer is? (no i guess)
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Why would I champion someone like Postal? I was simply pointing out that in this case you're going up against the majority - something you've criticized others for.



Don't mislead. He quit because he disagreed with the fact that people were blaming hurricane activity on global warming.



The ocean has increased in temperature. So, yes.



no shitstain Postal was going against basic physics.

you are going against the same thing but its confused by the press so much your "right to believe" overwhelms any input you recieve. thats called cognative dissonence

get it yet?
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I asked you a quetion

are we warmer now than in 1950?

Do you have a problem answering a question based on your criteria

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the answer is? (no i guess)

wait for the burn
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no shitstain Postal was going against basic physics.

you are going against the same thing but its confused by the press so much your "right to believe" overwhelms any input you recieve. thats called cognative dissonence

get it yet?

If you continue to spew insults rather than address points I've raised - like the fact that you contradicted yourself by citing Jeff who agrees that CO2 contributes to warming - you can consider this debate over.

I await your usual "hey bitch, this debate is over, i won" reply, while at the same hoping you might decide to be civil.
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mm no the ocean has not increased in temps. It was the last great hope for man made GW and was proved false

ANSWER THE FUKING QUESTION I ASKED
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If you continue to spew insults rather than address points I've raised - like the fact that you contradicted yourself by citing Jeff who agrees that CO2 contributes to warming - you can consider this debate over.

I await your usual "hey bitch, this debate is over, i won" reply, while at the same hoping you might decide to be civil.

If I continue to spew insults it means you dont know shit theh only people that would disagree would be postal goatchode free willy etc.

Answer the fucking question I asked!!!
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mm no the ocean has not increased in temps. It was the last great hope for man made GW and was proved false

The ocean has increased in temperature. I refer you to this graph of ocean temperature I posted on the first page.


Source: ipcc.ch

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ANSWER THE FUKING QUESTION I ASKED
Since the ocean is considered part of the earth, I did answer your question.

EDIT: Having addressed your concerns, I ask that you respond to my claim that you contradicted yourself.
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no charts

no qualifiers

Is the earth Warmer NOW than 50 years ago

Answer the question bitch
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no charts

no qualifiers

Is the earth Warmer NOW than 50 years ago

Answer the question bitch

Since that graph has had recent data (2007 - green line) added to it, and since the ocean is part of the earth, my answer continues to be yes.
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Oh! I almost forgot.

Regarding the data concerning temperatures at different latitudes that I presented earlier [url=http://www.genmay.com/showpost.php?p=22451491&postcount=21] here, the temperature measurements were taken via satellites and thus cloud cover, vapor, etc. were already factored out.
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Since that graph has had recent data (2007 - green line) added to it, and since the ocean is part of the earth, my answer continues to be yes.

sorry the base premise was proved false a decade ago

i am trying to get you to comiit to a stance where you cant say well "I did not know the data was wrong so I am not at fault"

Once again

Are we warmer NOW than 50 years ago.

You seemed comfortable asking a similar question. whats your problem?
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