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do we invade oil rich countries frequently? have we like become middle eastern oil tycoons in the process?

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So...

What does this mean for reloaders? Did they just get fucked?
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What does this mean for reloaders? Did they just get fucked?

apparently yes.
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You can do miniature sabot rounds. Like those armor piercing bullets with a steel core. Hot load + light bullet + strong center = 2000+ fps and it will go through anything.

Yes, but that won't behave the same way, ballistically speaking, as a regular bullet. Our troops would learn to shoot differently in training than they'd need to in real combat.

The idea of using really dense ceramics with plastic jackets is interesting, though. Use the same powder load with a bullet of identical size, shape and mass to that of an FMJ bullet, and it should behave about the same, assuming the plastic doesn't foul barrels really quickly, or something.
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What does this mean for reloaders? Did they just get fucked?
It actually seems like it would mean that you'd just have to try harder to get usable brass, if it caught on. You might just have to buy it, instead of scavenging them from the ground at the range.
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Soooo are these going to work in my Stampede?
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It actually seems like it would mean that you'd just have to try harder to get usable brass, if it caught on. You might just have to buy it, instead of scavenging them from the ground at the range.


IF it caught on... and I would guess that would take a long time. If and when the age of plastic cases were truly upon us, I would guess that new plastic cases would be pretty cheap as a component and still viable for reloaders. Er, at that point they would technically just be "loaders" but you know what I mean
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IF it caught on... and I would guess that would take a long time. If and when the age of plastic cases were truly upon us, I would guess that new plastic cases would be pretty cheap as a component and still viable for reloaders. Er, at that point they would technically just be "loaders" but you know what I mean

You're probably right. I'm curious as to how they hold the bullet in the plastic cases, though. With brass, it's pressed in, and then the casing is crimped tight around it, as I understand it, but I could see that not working so hot with plastic.

I'm sure instead of pressing the bullet in they heat-form it around the bullet. Once it cools, the bullet isn't going anywhere without a detonation behind it.
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You're probably right. I'm curious as to how they hold the bullet in the plastic cases, though. With brass, it's pressed in, and then the casing is crimped tight around it, as I understand it, but I could see that not working so hot with plastic.

I'm sure instead of pressing the bullet in they heat-form it around the bullet. Once it cools, the bullet isn't going anywhere without a detonation behind it.

yea either heat shrinking or perhaps even an adhesive. A light coating of something on the lips of the cartridge before a bullet is pushed in.
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yea either heat shrinking or perhaps even an adhesive. A light coating of something on the lips of the cartridge before a bullet is pushed in.

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yea, i'm sure theres a high heat element in packing gunpowder. seems legit
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IF it caught on... and I would guess that would take a long time. If and when the age of plastic cases were truly upon us, I would guess that new plastic cases would be pretty cheap as a component and still viable for reloaders. Er, at that point they would technically just be "loaders" but you know what I mean

They said the plastic was recyclable so maybe you could get a deal on new ammo if you bring in your old... plastic.

Or maybe homeless people will wander around shooting ranges picking up spent shells for bum wine money.
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I wanna see some nerf kids mod the jackets into new gen nerf darts

because nerf is all I have to look forward to over here
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yea, i'm sure theres a high heat element in packing gunpowder. seems legit

It doesn't have to be high heat but yea good point.
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Actually, if you look at the picture in the article, the only part of the case that's plastic is the sides - the bottom still appears to be made of brass. I wonder if they maybe load it in reverse:

1. Extrude the plastic tubing and cut to length.
2. Press the bullet in, either from the back, all the way through the case, or heat the tubing and press it in from the front.
3. Add the powder to the case, from the back.
4. Attach the rear of the case, with primer installed, using an adhesive.

Remember that we don't want the plastic case body to move down the bore with the bullet, or otherwise detach from the rear, which has the rim for the extractor so the bond between the brass rear part and the plastic body needs to be substantially stronger. Adhesives would be appropriate here.
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