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actually the new process makes them in ton lots in three days

Ain't biotech grand?
It would not be that fast with a new, mutated H5N1 virus because they wouldn't know what to put in the vaccine until just before a pandemic started. And there aren't the capabilities to mass produce it (because the current way of making influenza vaccine will not work in a pandemic situation).
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It would not be that fast with a new, mutated H5N1 virus because they wouldn't know what to put in the vaccine until just before a pandemic started. And there aren't the capabilities to mass produce it (because the current way of making influenza vaccine will not work in a pandemic situation).

Three days after they get the new strain from the corpses they will have ton lots of virii to make vaccine with. Untill then the tamiflu will flow like wine. Unless you live in a third world country or one with a broke ass government health care system.
It will likely be weeks before the strain hits the US. Thus only the idiots in the US die

You know, Tom Cruise. Because he will try to zap it with his big OT7 brain
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Three days after they get the new strain from the corpses they will have ton lots of virii to make vaccine with. Untill then the tamiflu will flow like wine. Unless you live in a third world country or one with a broke ass government health care system.
It will likely be weeks before the strain hits the US. Thus only the idiots in the US die

You know, Tom Cruise. Because he will try to zap it with his big OT7 brain

Yet they wouldn't have the means to make massive amounts of the vaccine. And while Tamiflu works well, it's not available over-the-counter to the public, and has limited quantities (due to shortages of anise).

I agree the 3rd world / poor countries / socialized healthcare countries will be hit the hardest and fastest.
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H5N1 infections reported in China, Vietnam, Egypt

Feb 26, 2008 (CIDRAP News) Deaths from H5N1 avian influenza were reported today in two women, one from southern China and the other from Vietnam, as officials in Egypt announced that a 4-year-old girl has been hospitalized with an H5N1 infection.

China's health ministry reported that a 44-year-old woman from the city of Shanwei in Guangdong province died of an H5N1 infection yesterday, according to a statement today from the World Health Organization (WHO). Her death raises China's H5N1 count to 30 and its number of fatalities to 20.

The woman got sick on Feb 16 and was hospitalized 6 days later. China's national laboratory confirmed her infection yesterday, the WHO reported. An investigation into the source of her infection found that she had contact with sick and dead poultry before she became ill.

Chinese officials said the woman was a migrant worker from Sichuan province, Xinhua, China's state news agency, reported today. Personal contacts of the woman are under medical supervision, and so far all remain healthy, the WHO reported.

The woman's death is China's second fatality in less than a week. On Feb 22 the WHO reported that a 41-year-old man from Guangxi province died of an infection on Feb 20.

Meanwhile, health ministry officials in Vietnam today reported that a 23-year-old woman from Phu Tho province in the northern part of the country died yesterday of an H5N1 infection, the WHO reported today. Her illness pushed Vietnam's number of H5N1 cases to 105, and her death raises the fatality count to 51, according to the WHO.

The woman got sick on Feb 14 and was hospitalized 5 days later. Investigators found that she had contact with sick and dead poultry before she got sick, the WHO reported.

The woman worked as a teacher, according to a report today from Reuters.

Elsewhere, the health ministry in Egypt today confirmed that a 4-year-old girl from Menia governorate, about 100 miles south of Cairo, is sick with an H5N1 infection and is being treated in a Cairo hospital, the Associated Press reported. If her illness is confirmed by the WHO, the girl will become Egypt's 44th case-patient and the country's first H5N1 case this year.

Media reports on the girl's illness gave no details on the possible source of her H5N1 infection; however, women and children are known as the primary caretakers of backyard poultry in Egypt.

The two newly confirmed H5N1 infections raise the WHO's global count to 368 cases and 234 deaths.

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Feb 26 WHO statement on Chinese death
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2008_02_26/en/index.html

Feb 26 WHO statement on Vietnamese death
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2008_02_26b/en/index.html
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Yet they wouldn't have the means to make massive amounts of the vaccine. And while Tamiflu works well, it's not available over-the-counter to the public, and has limited quantities (due to shortages of anise).

I agree the 3rd world / poor countries / socialized healthcare countries will be hit the hardest and fastest.

You seem to be missing a key bit of knowledge. For a flu vaccine all you need is intact or partially intact dead virii which you can breed in Ton Lots with the new method. Macrophage white blood cells key on the protein coat and not only go after that virri itself but as per a SA article a few years ago bond to other white blood cells and transmit information that they thought likely to be targeting instructions.

You can go the live but damaged virii method for influenza but with such a nasty strain you would be taking a hefty risk.
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SARS Memories Haunt Hong Kong as Flu Outbreak Closes Schools
By Cathy Chan and Chia-Peck Wong
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March 14 (Bloomberg) -- When Louis Wong came home from work earlier this week his wife brushed aside his attempt to hug their 2-year-old son and sent him straight to the shower.
Hong Kong is on flu alert after the unexplained deaths of four young children with flu-like symptoms. Worried residents are donning surgical masks, flooding hospital waiting rooms and buying up supplies of antibacterial soap as they remember the SARS outbreak that killed 299 people five years ago.
``Everyone in the family has been ordered to take a shower immediately after they've been out,'' said Wong, a 33-year-old father of two and insurance agent at Prudential Plc. ``It reminds me of SARS. We're taking the same precautionary measures.''
On Thursday, Hong Kong shut all kindergartens and primary schools, affecting more than 500,000 children. The schools will remain closed through March 28, the end of a scheduled Easter holiday break.
In 2003, severe acute respiratory syndrome decimated Hong Kong's economy and wrecked the tourism industry. People hid behind surgical masks and locked themselves inside their homes, leaving once bustling streets deserted.
The territorial government was criticized for responding too slowly to SARS. This time it isn't taking chances.
In addition to closing schools, the government yesterday named Yuen Kwok-yung, a University of Hong Kong microbiologist who helped discover the cause of the SARS outbreak, to head a panel charged with finding whether flu strains are mutating into a more lethal form.
``When SARS first happened, it was sporadic and no one expected it to become a disaster,'' said Wong, who also has a 6- year-old daughter. ``The recent deaths are haunting me.''
Influenza A
The first in the current spate of deaths was that of a 21- month-old boy on Feb. 24, the city's Health Department said. Two of the victims tested positive for influenza A, although the disease hasn't been identified as the cause of their deaths. Two other children died after suffering flu-like symptoms, though tests haven't yet confirmed the presence of influenza A, the subtype that causes seasonal outbreaks of the disease.
The public's initial reaction to the recent deaths has mirrored the response to SARS. Sales of surgical masks at Watsons, Hong Kong's biggest drugstore chain, have increased 11- fold, and sales of flu medicines and antibacterial hand wash have tripled, said Rita Wong, a company spokeswoman.
Calls to the Watsons health hotline have more than doubled, and virtually all the inquiries have been about flu and flu medicines, said senior pharmacist Michael Yim, 30.
Seasonal Outbreak
Rival chain Mannings reported that it only had enough children's masks to last three more days.
``We're sending staff to procure more stock,'' spokeswoman Janet Wong said.
Hong Kong is simply experiencing a seasonal flu outbreak, said Peter Cordingley, the Manila-based spokesman for the World Health Organization's Western Pacific region.
``If you look back to SARS, you can understand why there is a high level of anxiety in Hong Kong among the public at the moment,'' he said. ``There is nothing exceptional in what is happening in Hong Kong at the moment.''
The WHO estimates that the flu causes 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year worldwide.
Several strains of flu and other common respiratory viruses are circulating in the city, said Susan Chiu, associate professor at the University of Hong Kong's department of pediatrics and adolescent medicine. In addition, the disease spreads easily in a crowded city like Hong Kong, with almost 7 million people.
``When people live, work and play in close proximity to each other, the chances of transmitting a virus are higher, and Hong Kong is certainly a densely populated city,'' said Gregory Hartl, a WHO spokesman in Geneva.
Praying for Help
At the Peace Evangelical Center Kindergarten in the suburban New Territories, Principal Wong Siu Lan was so concerned about the outbreak that she gathered her staff together on Wednesday and prayed for the authorities to intervene.
``We started feeling the tension because we constantly have staff and kids calling in sick every day,'' she said.
The government announced its decision to suspend school three hours later.
At Tuen Mun Hospital, where two of the deaths occurred, workers on Thursday handed out masks to the public and placed dispensers filled with antibacterial cleansers at the en.
Seven-year-old Lau Man Hay was unaware of the concern swirling around him as he waited with hundreds of others to see a doctor after coming down with flu-like symptoms.
``I'm so happy I don't have to go to school,'' he said.
Louis Wong is less excited. The insurance broker said he's started carrying two surgical masks in his briefcase when he goes to work, just as a precaution.
``I don't believe SARS has gone, and you never know when it's coming back,'' Wong said.
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H5N1 Avian Flu virus has mutated, study says
March 13, 2008 at 4:04 pm Filed under Health, NewsLog
Researchers involved in a study at the University of Wisconsin have discovered that the H5N1 Avian Flu virus has mutated into a strain that may make humans more vulnerable to the disease.
Prior to the study, it was known that the virus could only thrive or live in a body which have temperatures of 106 F (41 C). A human's normal body temperature is 98.6 F (37 C). This difference in the temperatures of bodies makes the virus less likely to infect a human, but the recent study suggests the virus has adapted to survive in bodies with temperatures lower than 106 F.
"We have identified a specific change that could make bird flu grow in the upper respiratory tract of humans," said Yoshihiro Kawaoka, the researcher in charge of the study.
Kawaoka also stated that the "viruses that are circulating in Africa and Europe are the ones closest to becoming a human virus," but also stated that the H5N1 virus must undergo several mutations before it can infect a human, who can then spread the virus to other humans.
"Clearly there are more mutations that are needed. We don't know how many mutations are needed for them to become pandemic strains," added Kawaoka.
The World Health Organization (WHO) has stated that despite the study, influenza viruses are constantly mutating from season to season, but that the H5N1 virus is not anymore deadly to humans than before the study.
"Mutations occur in influenza viruses. Separately from that, the (bird flu) virus continues to be deadly. But there is no new jump in deadliness," said Gregory Hartl, a spokesman for the WHO.
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Human and avian flu alert as Guangzhou confirms H5N1

Damon Pang

Monday, March 17, 2008

Hong Kong is on full alert for both human and avian flu outbreaks after the mainland confirmed a bird flu case involving poultry in Guangzhou. The Food and Health Bureau has reacted by suspending for three weeks the import of live poultry from affected areas.
This came as the Centre for Health Protection confirmed a new influenza case yesterday - the 12th since the reporting mechanism was launched last Thursday.
The latest case involves a two-year-old girl with influenza B. The girl was admitted to Tseung Kwan O Hospital on Thursday and is now in stable condition.
Separately, mainland authorities confirmed a case of H5N1 avian flu in the Jinhua new market in Guangzhou's Liwan district where 114 head of poultry died and 518 were culled.
The Guangdong provincial government and the Ministry of Agriculture have started emergency procedures to keep the situation under control, Xinhua News Agency reported.
Hong Kong's Food and Environmental Hygiene Department will today send an inspection team to the province's registered farms that supply poultry to the territory.
Guangdong governor Huang Huahua said in Beijing the authorities are monitoring those who have been in contact with the chickens in Liwan but have found no abnormalities so far. He said the chickens came from other provinces.
The Food and Health Bureau earlier confirmed there are no chicken farms that supply Hong Kong within a 13-kilometer radius of a market in Foshan where 2,000 chickens were culled.
Thirteen farms in Foshan outside the radius and nine in Guangzhou supply poultry to Hong Kong.
Meanwhile, the Labour Department has issued health warnings, calling on companies to step up preventive measures such as disinfecting the workplace.
"Everyone should continue to be vigilant in guarding against the spread of the disease in the workplace," a spokesman said.
He urged the public to maintain good ventilation, disinfect commonly used equipment while keeping the workplace, including floors, carpets, doors and windows clean.
Employees, the spokesman said, should consult a doctor promptly in cases of fever or coughs and avoid going to work if advised by doctors.
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UN warns new lethal bird flu strain may emerge in Indonesia




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ROME, March 18 (RIA Novosti) - A United Nations agency said on Tuesday the bird flu virus, common in Indonesia, could mutate into a form that could easily be transmitted from person to person causing a global pandemic.
Indonesia has the world's highest human death rate from bird flu with 104 fatalities, or one third of the global death toll. About 80% of cases in the southeast Asian nation have been traced to the Jakarta region.
The Rome-based Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) warned in a statement that there could be more human cases if the government and the international community fail to act more effectively to contain the spread of the virus at source, among birds.
"I am deeply concerned that the high level of virus circulation in birds in the country could create conditions for the virus to mutate and to finally cause a human influenza pandemic," FAO Chief Veterinary Officer Joseph Domenech said.
All but two of Indonesia's 33 provinces have been hit by bird flu outbreaks, according to the FAO report. Insufficient financial aid and human resources, as well as poor public relations are hampering efforts to contain the disease, Domenech said.
The FAO official also warned that new types of the deadly H5N1 strain have recently emerged, which may make vaccines currently in use redundant.
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Couple Isolated At Toronto Hospital Over Bird Flu Fears

Wednesday March 19, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff
An elderly couple has reportedly been isolated at Toronto East General Hospital over possible bird flu fears.
The couple had just returned from a trip to Bangladesh, where there's an outbreak of avian flu. They apparently visited areas affected by the virus.
Both were transported to hospital Tuesday night after complaining of flu-like symptoms.
Since being admitted, emergency and hospital workers have taken extra steps to be safe including wearing masks and gloves.
Officials reportedly aren't overly worried but they want to be on the safe side and wait for test results to confirm what the couple is ailing from and hopefully rule out bird flu. Those results may not come back for a few days.
Bird flu, also known as the H5N1 virus, spreads quickly and has a mortality rate as high as 70 per cent..
Health experts fear avian flu is the most likely source for the next pandemic.
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Bangladesh kills 200,000 fowl to stop bird flu



DHAKA, March 24 (Reuters) - Authorities in Bangladesh said on Monday they have culled more than 200,000 chickens at different farms over the last two weeks over suspected bird flu outbreaks, although the disease had begun subsiding across the country.

Avian influenza has spread through 47 of Bangladesh's 64 districts and forced the killing of more than 1.5 million birds since March of last year. Nearly 2 million eggs have also been destroyed.


"More than 200,000 chickens and ducks were culled over the past two weeks in dozens of affected firms and in their immediate vicinity," a senior official at the livestock ministry said.


Industry officials said bird flu has caused losses of about 45 billion taka ($650 million) to the poultry sector, which accounts for 1.6 percent of the poor nation's gross domestic product.


About 60 percent of the country's more than 150,000 poultry farms have been closed, making more than 1.5 million people jobless.


Chicken prices in the capital Dhaka have jumped nearly 75 percent in the past week, selling at 140 taka per kg, while the price of eggs has risen over 10 percent.


"We are facing a quick upward trend in the chicken and egg prices, when prices of rice, flour, edible oil continue to rise alarmingly," said Mashud Islam, a government employee.


Around five million of the country's more than 140 million people are directly or indirectly involved in poultry farming.


No human bird flu cases have been reported in Bangladesh, a densely populated nation where poultry is commonly kept by households.


Experts fear the H5N1 strain could mutate or combine with the highly contagious seasonal influenza virus and spark a pandemic, especially in countries such as Bangladesh where people live in close proximity to backyard poultry.


The virus has killed 236 people worldwide since 2003
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New chip to detect Avian flu goes commercial in Singapore



SINGAPORE, March 24 (Xinhua) -- Singapore's biomedical firm Veredus Laboratories has completed successfully trials and begun marketing a new device that can detect more than ten influenza strains, including the avian flu, local media reported Monday.
The chip, no bigger than a fingernail, can detect various flu strains within two hours in a single test, compared with tests available in the current market which require multiple tests to becarried out, said local TV Channel NewsAsia.
Rosemary Tan, CEO of Veredus Laboratories, was quoted as saying," In this test, you can tell if it's H1N1, H3N2, H5N1 or other Flu A, and this is very important because any of these strains can be a pandemic strain. Only with that kind of knowledge can appropriate action be taken to prevent any outbreaks."
This test can detect flu strains at the start of the infection, and can diagnose not just current viruses but also mutations, said the report.
Tan said the chip can also be modified from its present form to be used in the detection of cancers, infectious diseases and even biohazardous material.
The company has begun marketing the new device to hospitals, airports and border checkpoints, Tan told media.
Veredus Laboratories produced the chip in partnership with European semiconductor company ST Microelectronics.
The two companies have set up a joint laboratory here to develop new biomedical applications based on the new chip technology, according to the report.


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H5N1 resurfaces in South Korean poultry

Apr 4, 2008 (CIDRAP News) Agriculture officials in South Korea today confirmed that large numbers of chicken deaths at a commercial farm in the southwestern part of the country were caused by H5N1 avian influenza.
An agriculture ministry official said plans were underway to slaughter about 308,000 chickens near the outbreak area, the Associated Press reported today. South Korea's last H5N1 outbreak occurred just over a year ago, when the virus struck a duck farm in South Chungcheong province, according to a previous report from the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE).
The outbreak site is an egg production farm in Gimje, about 162 miles south of Seoul, according to a report yesterday by Xinhua, China's state news agency. The farm has about 150,000 chickens and produces 100,000 eggs per day. A report the country submitted to the OIE on Apr 2 said chicken deaths started increasing on Mar 29, and 3 days later 1,000 birds were found dead, which led the owner of the farm to notify veterinary services.
Officials said eggs from the farm would be recalled and buried to prevent the spread of the disease, and eggs from seven other farms in the neighborhood will also be destroyed, Xinhua reported. The story added that there have been no reports of people becoming sick after eating eggs.
Officials are obtaining blood samples from chickens, migratory birds, and foreign workers at the farm to determine the source of the outbreak, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported today. Kim Chang-Seob, the agriculture ministry's chief veterinary officer, told AFP that an early spring outbreak was somewhat unusual, because most outbreaks occur between November and March.
Kim said health officials suspect the virus may have come from migratory birds or perhaps infected workers who came from areas experiencing avian flu outbreaks. "The infected farm hires 11 foreign workers who came from Mongolia, Vietnam, and China," he told AFP.
See also:
Apr 2 preliminary OIE report on current South Korean outbreak
Mar 8, 2007, OIE report on previous South Korean outbreak
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First human-to-human transmission

Source: The Sangai Express / (Agencies) London, April 05: A report by BBC News has confirmed the first case of human-to-human transmission of bird flu in Pakistan.

Pakistan's north-west and southern regions were hit by bird flu last year.

Thousands of birds were culled to control the spread of the disease.

Tests carried out by the World Health Organisation (WHO) have now shown that bird flu killed some members of a family in northwest Pakistan late last year.

This is the first confirmation of people dying from bird flu in the country, with the samples collected from the family in Peshawar testing positive.

According to Dr Mukhtiar Zaman Afridi, head of the isolation ward for avian flu patients at Khyber Teaching Hospital in Peshawar, a poultry worker in Peshawar apparently passed the disease on to members of his family.

"The worker, whose name is being withheld on the request of the WHO, was brought to the hospital with avian flu symptoms on 29 October 2007," he said.

Though this worker has fully recovered since then, on 12 November, his elder brother was brought in with similar symptoms.

He died a week later.

On 21 November, two more brothers of the same worker came down with bird flu.

"One of them died on 28 November, while the other has recovered," said Dr Afridi.

Apart from the poultry worker, none of the others was found to have had any direct contact with sick or dead poultry.

Genetic sequencing tests performed by WHO laboratories in Egypt and the US on samples collected from three of the four brothers established human-to-human transmission.

Serum taken from all three was found to have been infected by the H5N1 avian influenza virus.

Though a WHO report said that the tests suggest "limited human-to-human transmission," it adds, however, that this "outbreak did not extend into the community, and appropriate steps were taken to reduce future risks of human infections".

IN Islamabad, Pakistan's health ministry said it was still investigating whether there was human transmission in the country's first death from bird flu.

It said initials tests by the World Health Organisation (WHO), which sent a team here last week, had ruled it out but that Pakistan had sent samples to Geneva � the WHO's headquarters � for further confirmation.

Scientists fear that if the virus were passed from one person to another, rather than from infected birds, it might indicate a mutation that could lead to a global pandemic with the potential to kill millions.

"In their preliminary tests the WHO team excluded suspected human-to-human transmission, but we have sent the samples to Geneva for further confirmation," health ministry spokesman Oriya Maqbool Jan told AFP.

The WHO team was sent after the ministry announced the death of a man who was one of six people infected with the deadly H5N1 strain of the avian influenza virus in North West Frontier Province along the Afghanistan border.

A brother of the victim also died before being tested for the virus.

Both had worked on a cull of infected poultry.

"We have been very closely monitoring the situation," said Rafiqal Hasan Usmani, the animal husbandry commissioner.

"There has been no new outbreak".

The H5N1 strain of bird flu has killed more than 200 people worldwide, mostly in Southeast Asia, since late 2003 .
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