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Alright, this is the year I will purchase a new car. Currently I drive an '07 RAV4 base model. It's great with its 4-cyl engine on gas and never had a problem. The issue is that I want something fancier, something with better shocks, leather, cheap/easy maintenance, automatic, 4 doors as I will soon have a child, and of course safe. It would be cool if it had AWD or 4WD. Oh and it has to have Navigation. I currently have a list and am wondering what your thoughts on it are:
BMW 3-series, I don't understand why there are like 15 different cars listed in the 3 series. There isn't an easy way to compare them all. BMW should do something about that.
Audi A4
Mercedes C350
Ford Fusion, I really like the way the 2013 model looks
Lexus GS
Lexus RX
BMW x3, same issue with the 3-series
BMW x5, same issue with the 3-series
Ford Explorer
Toyota 4Runner
Toyota Avalon
Audi Q5
Audi Q7
I didn't look at VW as for the same price when it is loaded, I could get an Audi.
Acura TSX
Acura TL

Now here is the stickler, my wife will not allow me to get a Chrysler or GM vehicle. Personally I don't blame her, we rented a Dodge Charger and it was cheap interior, low visibility, felt exactly like a rental car. Also when we hit the automatic locks, the damn thing sounded harsh like the locks were about to fall off. I rented a Dodge hatchback that had the same issues as the Charger, so it must be a manufacturer thing. I also rented a Malibu and after 22K miles the damn thing felt like it was going to fall apart. So far at 55k miles on my RAV4, there is one squeak on rough roads and the interior is pleasant.

Oh, and I care about resale value, so no Hyundai or Kia. My wife owned a Kia and I will never own one ever again.

So what are your thought genmay?
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Audi Q5/Q7 or Lexus RX/GX is my recommendation. Also Lexus GS because its the only mid size in your list that's both comfortable and comes with 4WD.

A4, C350, Fusion, TSX(overpriced for what you get) are all small cars that arent going to fit anything or be comfortable.

I personally think X5/X3 doesnt ride as nice as lexus.

If you are looking at a 4Runner and a Lexus and both are in budget why wouldnt you upgrade to the Lexus?

Avalon. Great luxo barge but wont have AWD or 4WD.

Acura TL is sporty and edgy, not very comforable.

Ford Exploder. Didnt you mention resale is important.
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A4, C350, Fusion, TSX(overpriced for what you get) are all small cars that arent going to fit anything or be comfortable.
How fat are you? Do you move your house daily?

2011 Fusion owner here... LOVE it. Also have a 2001 Taurus, and cars are nearly the same size both inside and out. There is PLENTY of room in a Fusion. I have not been in a A4 or TSX, but a C350 was plenty roomy, and was high on our short list to purchase.

IMHO, go test drive a few of the cars on your list and see what you think. Check out internet reviews, etc. All vehicles will have +/-, but all are good choices.

In the end, for us, not only did we save quite a bit of $ up front by going Ford vs. Mercedes/Audi. But we'll be saving a ton on maintenance. I fully expect the Fusion to go 100k with basic servicing. I used to work in a professional office, and being the IT guy and car geek I worked with everyone. I cannot tell you how many times I recalled discussions about ongoing service costs, and visits for the Audi owners. For me, while I would LOVE to have a S4 someday (hot++) I just can't bring myself to pay double what the Fusion cost (which was loaded) and pay ridiculous maintenance. Until I have a high income (lolz), that $ goes toward other luxuries such as traveling

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Pics of said Fusion. I am still impressed with this car. 15k miles. Only complaints are lack luster MPG (22mpg), no glove box light, and I would like to have flappy paddle shifters on the steering column for gear changes, rather than the sport mode shifting on the center console.
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Just bought a Q5 2.0T and we really like it, but I expect the maintenance to be neither easy nor inexpensive. That said we cross-shopped the Lexus RX-350 and chose the Audi.

We haven't had it long enough for a real review (not even taken it for its first service) but so far, so good. It has certainly been comfortable on a few longer trips.

Edit: though the oil filter is in an easy spot for DIY changes for the most routine maintenance, oil changes. The only kicker is that, from what I've read, without a special computer program and cable you can't reset the service interval yourself.

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What confuses you about the 3 series?

325 means 2.5 liter inline 6.. 330 is a 3.0L. 335 is a turbo 3L and the 328 is a 2.8 afaik. Stick or auto and the rest is usually standard - things like power windows and seats. Four cylinder BMWs are popular in other parts of the world but i would stick with their sixes.

Basically the x3 is in every way based on the 3 series - and quite well done too.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/02/11/bm...-german-roads/

They do count the diesel version in the statistics that we don't get though, but still it's a very good medium sized SUV if you need that sort of thing. Otherwise just get a coupe or sedan. All available with AWD but the x3 is going to have better ground clearance and wider tires.

Ps. your wife is a good woman, hang onto her.
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I'd wait a year or 2 on a 328i as they've switched to turbo 4's and I wouldn't trust anything first year or 2 from BMW

yes i know they've had them for years over seas, but with american regulations I just don't trust them

fusion is a pimpin car.
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How fat are you? Do you move your house daily?

Not fat, just tall. All those cars feel cramped up front for me.

The rear leg room on those models is also pretty terrible especially if a reasonably tall person is sitting in the front and wants to be reasonably comfortable.
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How smart are you going to feel when you've got a car payment each month until your crotchfruit turns 6?

edit: doesn't the Rav4 only come in 4 door in the US?
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tsrh

How smart are you going to feel when you've got a car payment each month until your crotchfruit turns 6?

edit: doesn't the Rav4 only come in 4 door in the US?

The early RAV4's came in two door, now only 4. I have plenty of savings for my crotchfruit, in fact I have a fund for if she doesn't get pregnant she gets this cash as well. Investments are going nice.

So pretty much wait on the 3-series for another year. What about Mercedes? I mean they are the predominant luxury manufacturer besides Bentley and Rolls Royce. The things can go 10,000 miles before any maintenance including oil changes.

Honestly I do believe the only thing to do is to go on a magic adventure of test drives. I just hate dealing with dealers. Why can't car buying be easy? Anyone have any experience with truecar.com and their true price?
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Audi Q5/Q7 or Lexus RX/GX is my recommendation. Also Lexus GS because its the only mid size in your list that's both comfortable and comes with 4WD.

A4, C350, Fusion, TSX(overpriced for what you get) are all small cars that arent going to fit anything or be comfortable.

I personally think X5/X3 doesnt ride as nice as lexus.

If you are looking at a 4Runner and a Lexus and both are in budget why wouldnt you upgrade to the Lexus?

Avalon. Great luxo barge but wont have AWD or 4WD.

Acura TL is sporty and edgy, not very comforable.

Ford Exploder. Didnt you mention resale is important.

I am liking the Lexus RX. As fore the Avalon 36K fully loaded with AWD. That just blew my mind.
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I wouldn't buy a mercedes without a backup car. they lost their legendary reliability back in the mid 90's
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Here's my take:

BMW 3-series is a great car, tiny though. Rear legroom is literally dismal, especially if you have taller people sitting in the front.

C-Class is overpriced for what you get.

A4 would be my pick in that segment.


The TSX is FWD and way overpriced for what you get. The TL is ugly.


The Fusion's fine, but doesn't "stand out" if you're a bit of an image whore like I am. I actually do enjoy renting Fusions and they are a very nice car.


I'd go with an Audi Q5. Not sumo-wrestler-large like the Q7, and nice and elegant. The X5 is great too. Not a fan of the X3 purely because of the looks. It's a capable car with great engine choices.


Why wait on a 3-series? You can score sweet deals on '11 and CPO '10 models. I agree; don't buy the brand new redesigned ones, but there's nothing wrong with the old one.
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