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SMG - moves gears, engages clutch and matches RPM

Nissans thing - matches RPM, you do the rest


So they are first to make a budget version of something that existed.
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Okay great they made a cheaper version.

As far as skipping gears you can skip with either system.

You can't skip gears on a sequential box, and shoving it through synchros like BMW does doesn't count as rev matching.
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SMG - moves gears, engages clutch and matches RPM

Nissans thing - matches RPM, you do the rest


So they are first to make a budget version of something that existed.

It's more complicated to electronically rev match a regular manual than it is to have a gearbox that rev matches when it shifts itself. I don't see what's so hard to understand about it, other than the fact that you have a hard time swallowing that BMW isn't the first and best with everything.

You're also not intelligent enough to realize that there is a difference between a sequential motorsport gearbox and a manual transmission.

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I know you've got to be exaggerating about removing the tranny to replace the cabin air filter - but I found it funny how easy it is to do in my Honda. Empty the glovebox, pull two pins out to let it swing all the way down - and there is a small door behind it that reveals the filter.

It's easy to do in a E46 as well:
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My favorites are the Odesseys, Pilots, and MDXs where you have to remove a dash support bar to open the filter access door.
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You can't skip gears on a sequential box, and shoving it through synchros like BMW does doesn't count as rev matching.



Same 6 speed manual as in the 3 pedal car, doesn't count as a manual.

matches RPM, doesn't count as matching RPM.


You guys are on a roll here, keep going.
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It's more complicated to electronically rev match a regular manual than it is to have a gearbox that rev matches when it shifts itself. I don't see what's so hard to understand about it, other than the fact that you have a hard time swallowing that BMW isn't the first and best with everything.

You're also not intelligent enough to realize that there is a difference between a sequential manual gearbox and a manual transmission. It has manual in the name because yes, you can choose the gears yourself, but it is still not a regular manual.

You're ignorant or blind or retarded, or all of the above, I made it abundantly clear and supplied links...


ITS THE SAME FUCKING MANUAL AS IN THE 3 PEDAL CAR. IT MATCHES RPM ELECTRONICALLY.


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The difference is, the rev matches in the SMG are initiated by a system that KNOWS its going up a gear or down a gear. The Nissan does not telepathically know you are shifting up or down, it has to predict the rev match. It's a lot different, but you're incapable of understanding. I also edited my post to take the manual part out of SMG, as BMW does not call it that. It's a sequential MOTORSPORT gearbox. Just because the gearbox itself is the same doesn't make it the exact same thing. But like I said, you are incapable of comprehending this. You have a learning disability or something?

The fact that it has three automatic modes should tell you something.
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

you can do a 6-3 downshift.... It matches RPM... it's the same transmission as the one that uses 3 pedals...

but it's not a manual, you can't skip gears and it doesn't match RPM according to the [M]
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You're ignorant or blind or retarded, or all of the above, I made it abundantly clear and supplied links...


ITS THE SAME FUCKING MANUAL AS IN THE 3 PEDAL CAR. IT MATCHES RPM ELECTRONICALLY.


Why would they call it a sequential gear box if it's the same box as the 3 pedal car? That's just stupid. Hello BMW, words mean things! SMG, for example, means that you row sequentially through the gears with no disengagement, like a motorcycle.

Fucking idiot krauts.

Also, it seems that the common complaint is that it's never smooth. The Nissan system is silky smooth. Seems like BMW missed the boat.

edit: I still see nothing about skipping gears.
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The difference is, the rev matches in the SMG are initiated by a system that KNOWS its going up a gear or down a gear. The Nissan does not telepathically know you are shifting up or down, it has to predict the rev match. It's a lot different, but you're incapable of understanding. I also edited my post to take the manual part out of SMG, as BMW does not call it that. It's a sequential MOTORSPORT gearbox. Just because the gearbox itself is the same doesn't make it the exact same thing. But like I said, you are incapable of comprehending this. You have a learning disability or something?

This is pathetic. Just stop, please

Nissans system doesn't know what gear you're about to go into? Yes I'm incapable of understanding.... how you can be this dumb.

You clearly know nothing about either system.
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Why would they call it a sequential gear box if it's the same box as the 3 pedal car? That's just stupid. Hello BMW, words mean things! SMG, for example, means that you row sequentially through the gears with no disengagement, like a motorcycle.

Fucking idiot krauts.

Also, it seems that the common complaint is that it's never smooth. The Nissan system is silky smooth. Seems like BMW missed the boat.

I tried the e46 smg. It's great. I don't know what you're calling smoothness - it shifts in a fraction of a second. There are 9 settings to choose from also.

If you want shifts that take a day to complete and that's your idea of smoothness then get a crown victoria, not an M3
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This is pathetic. Just stop, please

Nissans system doesn't know what gear you're about to go into? Yes I'm incapable of understanding.... how you can be this dumb.

You clearly know nothing about either system.

How stoned are you right now? lol You're acting as if I am arguing that the BMW setup is junk, I'm not. I am NOT BRAND BIASED. I'm almost not even sure what we are arguing about, other than your lack of understanding. Hell, I wouldn't even want either setup in a car because I enjoy shifting for myself, I am leery of drive by wire (especially here in the states where there is lag and hang built into the systems for slightly better emissions) and I already double clutch every downshift. I don't even skip gears myself - if I want to get into third from fifth, I'll shift into 4th first. Part of this is habit - I used to drive a Mazda Navajo with a manual and it was a little stiff shifting.
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How stoned are you right now? lol You're acting as if I am arguing that the BMW setup is junk, I'm not. I am NOT BRAND BIASED. I'm almost not even sure what we are arguing about, other than your lack of understanding. Hell, I wouldn't even want either setup in a car because I enjoy shifting for myself, I am leery of drive by wire (especially here in the states where there is lag and hang built into the systems for slightly better emissions) and I already double clutch every downshift. I don't even skip gears myself - if I want to get into third from fifth, I'll shift into 4th first. Part of this is habit - I used to drive a Mazda Navajo with a manual and it was a little stiff shifting.

This isn't about brand bias it's about the three of you latching into me for pointing out that BMW dressed up a manual with not only rev matching but a bunch of other shit too, a long time ago.

Then the started...

"It's a manumatic" - no its not

"It has no clutch" - yes it does

"You can't skip gears" - yes you can

"There is no RPM matching" - yes there is
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What i like about nissans version is it's like Splenda. half of one, half of the other so no need for launch control.
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