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SCCA has a road tire stock class now
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:15 PM Kimbalee is offline  
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like HELL the SCCA allows racing slicks on stock vehicles.

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13.3 TIRES
Any tire which is OE on a car eligible for Stock Category may be used. Non-OE tires must meet the following requirements to be eligible for use in Stock category:
A. The tire must not appear on the following list, which may be altered at any time by the SEB upon notification of membership.
No tire models are currently listed.
B. No tire models will be approved for competition during the rest of the year after April 30 of each calendar year. Each eligible tire model must meet all requirements of Section 13.3 by April 30, and must continue to meet them thereafter. A tire model will normally be deter- mined by the designation in the Tire Guide.
However, any of the following changes or similar changes (as deter- mined by the SEB) will also be considered to represent a new mod- el for eligibility purposes, even if the designation does not change: change of tread pattern at either full or partial tread depth; charac- terization by the manufacturer or distributor of a tire as “new” after April 30.
A tire model which was previously allowed by these rules continues to be legal until specifically disallowed. This follows years of prece- dence on eligibility for discontinued tire models.
If a manufacturer reintroduces a tire model which was previously discontinued, that tire will be considered a new model. Therefore, it will have to meet the rules specified in Section 13.3 including the April 30 introduction date.
C. The model of tire must be listed in a current or previous two years of the “Tire Guide” and “Tread Design Guide” or otherwise be approved by the SEB. The tire model must have Department of Transportation (DOT) approval.
D. Within each tire model, the sizes which are available must be equally available to all competitors. Tire model variations differing from stan- dard specification, delivered only on a limited basis, or only to se- lected competitors, may not be used.
E. No non-DOT racing tire or recap (on any casing) may be used. Siping or re-grooving of tires is not permitted.
F. Each tire model must be sold in at least four rim diameters with a total of at least six sizes.
G. Tire must fit the allowable wheels and fender wells without modifica- tion.
H. Each tire must have non-zero measurable tread depth (i.e., points where it is possible to obtain positive measurement values) as described in Section 3.3.3.B. Tires may not have cord visible at any time during competition.

So, when I went to my full slicks, I immediately went to Prepared class. If your organizers are allowing full slicks into any Stock classes, someone need to inform the National folks and have them bitchslap the lot of you for fucking willfully misinterpreting the rules, and potentially skewing results in favor of those who are running non-DOT treadless tires.
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like HELL the SCCA allows racing slicks on stock vehicles.



So, when I went to my full slicks, I immediately went to Prepared class. If your organizers are allowing full slicks into any Stock classes, someone need to inform the National folks and have them bitchslap the lot of you for fucking willfully misinterpreting the rules, and potentially skewing results in favor of those who are running non-DOT treadless tires.


These are legal in SCCA Solo 2 Stock classes:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....r&tireModel=A6
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A6 is NOT a slick tire, it has 2 grooves to make it DOT compliant.

Correct terminology for what is allowed in stock class is R-Compounds not slicks, but they're essentially slicks with small groves to be DOT compliant.
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A6 is NOT a slick tire, it has 2 grooves to make it DOT compliant.

Correct terminology for what is allowed in stock class is R-Compounds not slicks, but they're essentially slicks with small groves to be DOT compliant.

I never claimed slicks were allowed, but they are typically referred to as such on weekends.

edit: I'm pretty sure the video on the OP shows grooves.
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Yeah, at the point that A6s are allowed I don't see any point in requiring DOT approval. I understand requiring true street tires - say, minimum treadwear 100 or something - but once you allow A6s, you minus whale allow slicks.
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I never claimed slicks were allowed, but they are typically referred to as such on weekends.

edit: I'm pretty sure the video on the OP shows grooves.

Uh huh


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Uh, the stock classes have always been allowed racing tires.

RACING TIRES. Implies "non-DOT raving SLICKS". Tires that are treaded (even the DOT R-compounds) are by definition street tires (tho those grooves are barely legal, and most cops will pull you and write you a ticket without thinking twice about it).
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Yeah, at the point that A6s are allowed I don't see any point in requiring DOT approval. I understand requiring true street tires - say, minimum treadwear 100 or something - but once you allow A6s, you minus whale allow slicks.

SCCA should ban A6s in stock classes, period. It's a fucking cheater tire, worse than taking slicks and carving grooves in them (which is specifically banned,minteretingly enough).

I'm thinking someone at SCCA is taking payola...
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Uh huh




RACING TIRES. Implies "non-DOT raving SLICKS". Tires that are treaded (even the DOT R-compounds) are by definition street tires (tho those grooves are barely legal, and most cops will pull you and write you a ticket without thinking twice about it).

Leave it to Tex to argue semantics.

If you think r-comp tires are street tires because that's the legal definition, by all means.

Anyway, as a bit of history, tires in the stock class have been a point of controversy since like the 70s. Manufacturers have been making DOT RACING TIRES, essentially grooved slicks, as a way to get their name on the winning national championship cars for decades.

I didn't imply anything, Tex. You just inferred the wrong message - as always.
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A realistic UTQG like street tire classes would be great IMO, but that will just turn into one event wonder tires, shaved rubber, etc.

Is it BS? Yes
Are they allowed because of sponsorships and all that now? Probably...

But they are most certainly not slicks.
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A realistic UTQG like street tire classes would be great IMO, but that will just turn into one event wonder tires, shaved rubber, etc.

Is it BS? Yes
Are they allowed because of sponsorships and all that now? Probably...

But they are most certainly not slicks.

I used to co-drive a guy's Z06 who said back in the 80s and early 90s, they had DOT r-comp tires that lasted all of 3-4 runs. He said essentially the only reason r-comps last longer today is because there wasn't enough money to keep the manufacturers fighting for national trophy titles
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