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I've never heard indepth opinions on this subject from somewhat non-fucking-retarded people. I want to read what some of you people think of this stuff. I'm personally, a strong believe in science. Based on research and even theory if you will...
  • How attainable is curing aging?
  • When will we see life extension for the middle-upper-class family?
  • Is cryonics a logical solution for terminal illness or unplanned death?
  • If you could live to be 10,000 years old (minus accidental physical death), would you?

Talking about this stuff with uneducated, ignorant peers who act as if it's taboo is annoying. What do you guys think? Is any of this stuff realistic? And when do you think we can start to see real steps put fourth (after all religious buffs are put in their place) to put it into mass circulation?

I'm only 19, so I'm assuming by the time I'm 45-50, life extension will be a reality.
Old 09-26-2006, 06:23 PM G-Snake is offline  
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Those who really deserve it by helping society will be the first to get a real breakthough
I somehow doubt the majority will ever have access unless they have to trade off being sterilized before they have children as to not overpopulate the planet.
edit: IDK if cryonics work, thats the thing, its a gamble when you die. You MIGHT be resucitated, or you might not. You just have to find out
edit 2: I would gladly spend 10k years nerding it up in a lab pushing humanity as far as it can possibly go
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Someone said if you could live forever, cancer would eventually kill you. I'm almost positive it would occur within the first 10,000 years.
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Someone said if you could live forever, cancer would eventually kill you. I'm almost positive it would occur within the first 10,000 years.
Uh I'm pretty sure any society that could extend someones life for 10,000 years or even a hundred is probably going to have a cure for cancer.
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I don't see how cryogenics can work, when you freeze something the waters in the cells expand and form ice, rupturing the cell walls.
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I don't see how cryogenics can work, when you freeze something the waters in the cells expand and form ice, rupturing the cell walls.

From what I have read, they've developped a kind of antifreeze so that the crystals between cells doesn't rupture anything, they also freeze at an exact temperature, I'm not sure how it works exactly, but I've read up that innovations have been made to fix problems with 'brain freeze' or damage from expanded water.
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Someone said if you could live forever, cancer would eventually kill you. I'm almost positive it would occur within the first 10,000 years.

As mention, if a cure for aging can be found, a cure for cancer would certainly come well before that.
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I've never heard indepth opinions on this subject from somewhat non-fucking-retarded people. I want to read what some of you people think of this stuff. I'm personally, a strong believe in science. Based on research and even theory if you will...
  • How attainable is curing aging?
  • When will we see life extension for the middle-upper-class family?
  • Is cryonics a logical solution for terminal illness or unplanned death?
  • If you could live to be 10,000 years old (minus accidental physical death), would you?

Talking about this stuff with uneducated, ignorant peers who act as if it's taboo is annoying. What do you guys think? Is any of this stuff realistic? And when do you think we can start to see real steps put fourth (after all religious buffs are put in their place) to put it into mass circulation?

I'm only 19, so I'm assuming by the time I'm 45-50, life extension will be a reality.

a. Highly unlikely. You're fighting the laws the entire known universe to do it.
b. Again highly unlikely, unless you somehow can rewrite the laws of the known universe.
c. The person being frozen is already dead. Unless you do cloning, you're probably not going to be able to bring him back.
d. Of course I would. But you'll probably never see it.

The biggest think you'll need to fight is something called 'oxidation' (google for free radicals and you'll see what I'm talking about). The only real way to prevent it is to not breathe. Guess how long you'll live then?

Then you gotta figure out how to block the sun so you're never exposed to any radiation. You won't live real long without that either (especially when the temps get to real close to absolute zero).

As you can see, it isn't as easy as you make it out to be. The two biggest reasons you can actually live here are your biggest obstacles to living very long.

Besides, if everyone lived to 10,000 years, where would we put them all? Have you even thought about that downside?
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i think stopping death is probably the stupidest thing we can do as a species. overpopulation and food distribution is bad now with first world life expectancy hovering in the 70s. the last thing we need is greater stress on available natural resources. and resource straing surely puts greater pressure on societies to compete for resources by whatever means possible. not to mention the effect it would have on dispute resolution. part of the reason that old conflicts ever lessen is because the supporters of those conflicts die (of whatever causes) and take their combatitive ideologies with them.
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Between genetic engineering and nanotechnology I'd be very suprised if people don't start routinely living past 100, maybe even 200. Obviously at first it will be restricted to the rich in developed nations just as a lot of medical treatments are now. But even just the routine kind of stuff we've got now: good nutrition, immunizations, etc. will probably have most people living to 80 or so.
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Between genetic engineering and nanotechnology I'd be very suprised if people don't start routinely living past 100, maybe even 200. Obviously at first it will be restricted to the rich in developed nations just as a lot of medical treatments are now. But even just the routine kind of stuff we've got now: good nutrition, immunizations, etc. will probably have most people living to 80 or so.

Here's where I get concerned - so what if we do extend life spans into 150+ years. Ask many teachers and doctors and they will tell you, we have some of the sickest kids we've ever seen. I'm not talking about viral and bacterial infections and diseases, I mean chronic syndromes and auto-immune disorders, such as autism, life threatening food allergies, pervasive developmental disorder, sensory issues, etc. Will the trade-off be worth it in the end, to live for 150 years in a subpar, illness-plagued body?
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I've never heard indepth opinions on this subject from somewhat non-fucking-retarded people. I want to read what some of you people think of this stuff. I'm personally, a strong believe in science. Based on research and even theory if you will...
  • How attainable is curing aging?
  • When will we see life extension for the middle-upper-class family?
  • Is cryonics a logical solution for terminal illness or unplanned death?
  • If you could live to be 10,000 years old (minus accidental physical death), would you?

Talking about this stuff with uneducated, ignorant peers who act as if it's taboo is annoying. What do you guys think? Is any of this stuff realistic? And when do you think we can start to see real steps put fourth (after all religious buffs are put in their place) to put it into mass circulation?

I'm only 19, so I'm assuming by the time I'm 45-50, life extension will be a reality.
1)
I'd say its guaranteed. The only question is wether or not it comes in our lifetime. I'm kinda hoping it does.
The biggest problem afaik is the deterioration of nerve cells, since the body is unable to reproduce them itself, and we are not good enough in the medical sciences to fix them yet, at least not in the brain. Stemcells could possibly do much good here if we can get them to "fill in the gaps" in damaged brain tissue.
I dont mean that lost memories will come back, but hopefully you'll be able to obtain new ones, or halt the loss of memories before they become severe.

2)
We already have this, sort of. We live vastly longer than people did a hundred years ago.
My guess is it will be a gradual process where we will live longer and longer on average.

3)
Well, if you have the money when you die, why not? You're already dead; what more can you possibly loose?
But I doubt that your brain patterns can be reconstructed so it will just be your body can possibly be revitalized, given that the cryomedics have worked out the problems with crystals.

4) Hell yes. I'm loving every second of being alive. Wouldn't trade it for anything, least of all death.
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Here's where I get concerned - so what if we do extend life spans into 150+ years. Ask many teachers and doctors and they will tell you, we have some of the sickest kids we've ever seen. I'm not talking about viral and bacterial infections and diseases, I mean chronic syndromes and auto-immune disorders, such as autism, life threatening food allergies, pervasive developmental disorder, sensory issues, etc. Will the trade-off be worth it in the end, to live for 150 years in a subpar, illness-plagued body?

If we lived to 150 the way people live to over 100 now then I'd say it's not worth it. But the whole point of all these new technologies will be to keep people more like they're only 50 now, or maybe even 20-30. You're right whats the point of living the last 50 years of your life if you're almost blind, deaf, senile, bed ridden, etc.
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If we lived to 150 the way people live to over 100 now then I'd say it's not worth it. But the whole point of all these new technologies will be to keep people more like they're only 50 now, or maybe even 20-30. You're right whats the point of living the last 50 years of your life if you're almost blind, deaf, senile, bed ridden, etc.
Who knows; with super Viagra X 2k50 the sex might still be good
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if we can have the active life thats not uncommon into your 70's well into the 100's
that would be great
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