Best shtf rifle period!

[godofcheese]

Lots of factors here. I think that while the AR would do great if you have an ammo stockpile, what are you really going to be fighting? If I just need it for hunting long term, I think I will be keeping my Sharps rifle. I can make my own blackpowder if I need, I can melt my own lead for the bullets, the cartridges will not break due to the lower pressures, I can make my own primers even.

The sharps can hit at 500 yards with ease open sights. There are stories about them hitting MUCH further then that with no problems. The only real downside is reloading speed. Its a single shot falling block action. So, not exactly fast at all. Might want to keep that old colt working for a close up backup. (have one of those that we shoot blackpowder with as well)

[GuNsL!NgEr]

I can certainly see the benefit of a black powder gun in a rural setting.REICH and i live on the outskirts of a major city in Ohio.Not the suburbs.Id say you arm yourself due to location and threat.Here we would deal with alot of "spill"running from the city.We chose the ar15 due to its multi role capability and familiarity with that system.Ive had ak's and even had one break on me.Simply not as accurate and almost no domestic ammo production makes it a bad choice unless you have a big stockpile of ammo and a couple of pre headspaced bolts and carriers.I do carry spare parts for both my ar15s and appropriate cleaning supplies.Point being just prepare and do it seriously.

[godofcheese]

Originally Posted by GuNsL!NgEr

I can certainly see the benefit of a black powder gun in a rural setting.REICH and i live on the outskirts of a major city in Ohio.Not the suburbs.Id say you arm yourself due to location and threat.Here we would deal with alot of "spill"running from the city.We chose the ar15 due to its multi role capability and familiarity with that system.Ive had ak's and even had one break on me.Simply not as accurate and almost no domestic ammo production makes it a bad choice unless you have a big stockpile of ammo and a couple of pre headspaced bolts and carriers.I do carry spare parts for both my ar15s and appropriate cleaning supplies.Point being just prepare and do it seriously.

Exactly. You need to be prepared for your own situation and enviroment. I don't plan on being in a urban enviroment. If I was, I wouldn't be using blackpowder or any kind of slow rifle. I have access to such if we need it . . . but it isn't going to the a primary gun.

Now, if walmart could keep .22 in stock so I can get some more, I would just use the .22 converted ar.

[asa]

Originally Posted by g0rg0n

but getting shot with a .22 will deter all but the most desperate attackers

uh what?

[GuNsL!NgEr]

agreed this ammo shortage is bs!keep an eye on shotgun news and get in good with local suppliers and its alot easier to get it.

[g0rg0n]

Originally Posted by asa

uh what?

have you ever shot a living thing, even a rabbit, EVEN with a .22 you will deal a significant injury. it's not the movies, you don't need 18 shots to stop someone. I guarantee you you shoot someone with a .22 round they're going to stop for a second and consider if they really want to continue on their current course of action.

[CommiePunk]

Originally Posted by g0rg0n

have you ever shot a living thing, even a rabbit, EVEN with a .22 you will deal a significant injury. it's not the movies, you don't need 18 shots to stop someone. I guarantee you you shoot someone with a .22 round they're going to stop for a second and consider if they really want to continue on their current course of action.

thats not exactly what i'm looking for in home defense.

[Lewism1987]

Originally Posted by CommiePunk

thats not exactly what i'm looking for in home defense.

its a shtf rifle though, not a fortress cannon.

[g0rg0n]

Originally Posted by CommiePunk

thats not exactly what i'm looking for in home defense.

this isn't home defense, this is best shtf rifle. it's not all about defense, it's about hunting, when you're living in the woods you're going after small game, it's about weight, ammo acquisition, and protection.

it's retarded to go take some large caliber rifle solely for defense when it's going to destroy your game meat, be a pain in the ass to scavenge for ammo, and be unnecessarily heavy to lug around.

[CommiePunk]

Originally Posted by Lewism1987

its a shtf rifle though, not a fortress cannon.

i'd rather not worry about a determined person continue to charge me as i shoot them with a .22. A couple good shots with a bigger caliber make more sense to me.

/edit: my pick was .223

[g0rg0n]

Originally Posted by CommiePunk

i'd rather not worry about a determined person continue to charge me as i shoot them with a .22. A couple good shots with a bigger caliber make more sense to me.

/edit: my pick was .223

shit even then, I don't care what you're shooting it won't kill anyone any quicker than a .22 in the eye will. plus given the availability of ammo you're more likely to be able to practice more and become a dead eye with it, also you can get off a lot of rounds with such a light piece.

[CommiePunk]

Originally Posted by g0rg0n

shit even then, I don't care what you're shooting it won't kill anyone any quicker than a .22 in the eye will. plus given the availability of ammo you're more likely to be able to practice more and become a dead eye with it, also you can get off a lot of rounds with such a light piece.

i don't think planning on shooting someone in the eye with a .22 is a solid game plan, i'm sorry.

it's a good plentiful small game caliber, but thats about it for me.

[g0rg0n]

Originally Posted by CommiePunk

i don't think planning on shooting someone in the eye with a .22 is a solid game plan, i'm sorry.

it's a good plentiful small game caliber, but thats about it for me.

I'm not saying that should be your game plan but it's the truth

also if you really think that's all it's good for I nominate you to conduct a .22 ballistics test for us and shoot yourself, even in the thigh and then come back and tell us what you thought.

[asa]

Originally Posted by g0rg0n

have you ever shot a living thing, even a rabbit, EVEN with a .22 you will deal a significant injury. it's not the movies, you don't need 18 shots to stop someone. I guarantee you you shoot someone with a .22 round they're going to stop for a second and consider if they really want to continue on their current course of action.

shot a few things when i was younger, mostly deer, mostly with my best friend and his grandfather
when i shot a young boar, and it turned and charged, then i shot it again and it kept coming.... yeah, i decided i wasn't going to do that again

a .22 is fine for anything rabbit sized or smaller, and it's great for fundamentals, hell it's even pretty good for when you have time to aim and setup your shot... but anything outside of that and you're stretching it's capabilities

Originally Posted by g0rg0n

shit even then, I don't care what you're shooting it won't kill anyone any quicker than a .22 in the eye will. plus given the availability of ammo you're more likely to be able to practice more and become a dead eye with it, also you can get off a lot of rounds with such a light piece.

, pure

a .22 can be a great rifle, it's what i learned on, but as something to use when the SHTF? if you're talking the only rifle, then that's laughable

[CommiePunk]

Originally Posted by g0rg0n

I'm not saying that should be your game plan but it's the truth

also if you really think that's all it's good for I nominate you to conduct a .22 ballistics test for us and shoot yourself, even in the thigh and then come back and tell us what you thought.

lol... i carry a .22 mag as a last-ditch weapon. It's not my primary or backup (both .40), but it's better than nothing. I wouldn't want to count on it as my primary though, that's for sure.