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uh, you can hide money. the vast majority of those loopholes are available to you and me as well

That's just it. People are crying bloody murder like they're doing something illegal. It's not their fault they're good at playing the game.
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I believe income tax is immoral, and unconstitutional.

That said I would comprimise perhaps with a progressive tax to start and see if it works before a total flat tax (if we must) f we simply cannot find the balls to fight for ourselves and for what is right and moral treatment of ones income.

The point is we have *got* to do something stat, the disparity between rich and poor is bordering on becoming a third world Mexico scenario over time, we are using desperate measures to jumpstart our economy because of it for gods sake.

If we dont do something soon we are fucked.
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Its not a matter of worth, its a matter of ability to use it. Sure, the 100k guy wants all of his money, but you cant argue that for a person living alone on 10k that the 1k is worth more to him.

Obviously, but the idea that somehow the government should have the right to take more for them based on that is not justifiable. Everyone should be paying in their fair share. 35% for $100k + and 15% for $30k (not real numbers, just creating a contrast) does not constitute fair share regardless of the value of a dollar.

What about people in higher cost of living areas? Ft. McMurray, Alberta is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive to live in than St. John, New Brunswick, so where's your adjustment to account for that? Someone making $45k annually in Edmonton is not going to see the same kind of lifestyle as someone making $45k annually in Halifax. Where's the adjustment made in that case?
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Seriously... even Adam Smith, the free market god, recognized the need for progressive taxation
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Obviously, but the idea that somehow the government should have the right to take more for them based on that is not justifiable. Everyone should be paying in their fair share. 35% for $100k + and 15% for $30k (not real numbers, just creating a contrast) does not constitute fair share regardless of the value of a dollar.

What about people in higher cost of living areas? Ft. McMurray, Alberta is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive to live in than St. John, New Brunswick, so where's your adjustment to account for that? Someone making $45k annually in Edmonton is not going to see the same kind of lifestyle as someone making $45k annually in Halifax. Where's the adjustment made in that case?

Thats why salaries are higher in ft mcmurray than in halifax you stupid shit. It's market economics.
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yup, still missing the point Hey, let's vote for a flat tax that will treat everyone equally and keep more money in the hands of the people that actually employ us as opposed to a government that wastes the majority of it!

Right there, you're clearly arguing for cutting government spending, a completely different point. Otherwise, the only way for the rich to pay less is for everyone else to pay more.
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Right there, you're clearly arguing for cutting government spending, a completely different point. Otherwise, the only way for the rich to pay less is for everyone else to pay more.

*Assuming of course that we need no less than 5 full carrier battle fleets, give Israel Billions, quarter billion dollar bridges to nowhere, pork is the other white meat ... have I missed anything?
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Thats why salaries are higher in ft mcmurray than in halifax you stupid shit. It's market economics.

Yeah, you don't say, eh? Isn't your idea is to tax those higher earnings, lowering the actual amount they have to spend with progressive taxation? Someone making a lower dollar figure in a lower tax bracket in Halifax will be potentially better off with a lower pay as a result for the same job, that's the point I'm making. You can't simply generalize and say it's fair across the board. You know what is fair? A flat tax that everyone has to pay.
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Seriously... even Adam Smith, the free market god, recognized the need for progressive taxation

Yeah, so did Karl Marx.
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Yeah, you don't say, eh? Isn't your idea is to tax those higher earnings, lowering the actual amount they have to spend with progressive taxation? Someone making a lower dollar figure in a lower tax bracket in Halifax will be potentially better off with a lower pay as a result for the same job, that's the point I'm making. You can't simply generalize and say it's fair across the board. You know what is fair? A flat tax that everyone has to pay.

You're absolutely right. I for one haven't slept well for days, and part of it has to do with me wondering day and night how the 5% top earners of america cope because of progressive taxation. These people have kids to feed, Jim!
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Yeah, you don't say, eh? Isn't your idea is to tax those higher earnings, lowering the actual amount they have to spend with progressive taxation? Someone making a lower dollar figure in a lower tax bracket in Halifax will be potentially better off with a lower pay as a result for the same job, that's the point I'm making. You can't simply generalize and say it's fair across the board. You know what is fair? A flat tax that everyone has to pay.

Fair?
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You're absolutely right. I for one haven't slept well for days, and part of it has to do with me wondering day and night how the 5% top earners of america cope because of progressive taxation. These people have kids to feed, Jim!

Their cars need premium gasoline, man. PREMIUM! How will they survive?
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Yeah, you don't say, eh? Isn't your idea is to tax those higher earnings, lowering the actual amount they have to spend with progressive taxation? Someone making a lower dollar figure in a lower tax bracket in Halifax will be potentially better off with a lower pay as a result for the same job, that's the point I'm making. You can't simply generalize and say it's fair across the board. You know what is fair? A flat tax that everyone has to pay.

jesus christ...

First, markets adjust salaries to offset CoL differences in cities. What don't you understand about that?

Second, yes, I can generalize. Taxes and taxation policy are generalizations. They have to be. You think up whatever retarded scenario you want that happens in one in a million cases. It does nothing to dispute what every finance department has already figured out in the OECD: For the vast majority of people, progressive taxation is more equitable than flat taxation, because there are differences in the marginal utility of money.

I will not comment further, because you are ignorant and it is like arguing against a ten year old with downs syndrome.
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