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Umm...what he's saying is that the operations will be done at Hawaii, not off the Chinese coast.

Yah but hes wrong read the first paragraph of the article:
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the Navy announced that from mid-July through August it would hold exercises dubbed Operation Summer Pulse '04 in waters off the China coast near Taiwan.
... It was CONCEPTUALISED , ORGANIZED and will DEPLOY FROM Hawaii:

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Operation Summer Pulse '04 was almost surely dreamed up at the Pearl Harbor headquarters of the U.S. Pacific Command and its commander, Adm. Thomas B. Fargo


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Do you have anything besides an op/ed that says otherwise?
yes lots of others: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search
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Yah but hes wrong read the first paragraph of the article:

... It was CONCEPTUALISED , ORGANIZED and will DEPLOY FROM Hawaii:
yes lots of others: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search
The statement you showed is according to the Op/Ed.. Again show us a site that says it's off the Chinese Coast.. It is being held in Hawaii as it was in 2000 and 2002 as I keep repeating..

Strategically speaking.. What happened if Hawaii was nuked... There goes your communications.. The goal is to train the carrier fleet to coordinate action through each other..

As for google.. Point out one!! One that is not an op/ed or moonbat story..
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The statement you showed is according to the Op/Ed.. Again show us a site that says it's off the Chinese Coast.. It is being held in Hawaii as it was in 2000 and 2002 as I keep repeating..
OK these *all* show it will be off the Chinese and Taiwan coast and that China is "Freaking Out":

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/...i.taiwan040706

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Taiwan is moving inexorably towards independence, and America is supporting it, while China is freaking out over it. Will this lead to an inevitable war over Taiwan? (6-July-2004)
Straits Times

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US plans huge show of force in Pacific
Straits Times | June 30 2004
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/top...259015,00.html

HONG KONG - The United States is planning a massive show of force in the Pacific Ocean near China to register a point with Beijing.

In an exercise codenamed Operation Summer Pulse 04, it is expected to arrange for an unprecedented seven aircraft carrier strike groups (CSGs) to rendezvous in waters a safe distance away from the Chinese coastline - but still within striking distance - after mid-July.
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/cont...d&pg=wo_05.htm

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LAGOS June 4 - A US navy battlegroup is to make a ``show of force'' in the oil-rich waters of the Gulf of Guinea, off west Africa, diplomats said Friday, as Washington hones plans to escape its dependence on unstable Middle Eastern supplies by securing more African crude.

The foray by a heavily armed carrier group into the waters off Nigeria, Sao Tome, Equatorial Guinea and other African oil producers, comes at a time when fuel prices are topping the US political agenda and security crises in the Gulf region are pushing demands for greater diversification in energy supplies.

An Abuja-based US diplomat told AFP on condition of anonymity that the Gulf of Guinea was ``a place where there is not normally an American presence'' and described the operation as ``a show of force.''

``Operation Summer Pulse '04 aims to demonstrate the capabilities of the US navy; before we only had two or three operations involving aircraft carriers at any one time,'' he said, adding that seven carrier groups are to be deployed in the Pacific and Indian Oceans, the Mediterranean and the Gulf of Guinea.

``The navy wants, through this exercise, to demonstrate to the world that, even with all its current responsibilities, it can still position half-a-dozen aircraft carriers with all the neccessary support ships in the four corners of the world, at the same time,'' he said....

http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forumpo...?toppid=122358






US review of Taiwan status could spark chaos

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If a Congressional report describing the one-China policy as 'obsolete' is adopted, it could light the fuse for a war over the Taiwan Strait

HONG KONG - East Asia is likely to enter an era of instability if the United States were to redefine its 'one-China' policy in a way that, in essence, denies Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan.

The spectre of that happening has been raised by a US congressional body in a recent report that, if adopted, is certain to provoke a violent response from Beijing - and light the fuse for a war over the Taiwan Strait....

Lots more if you want them...
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quoted from link

"to put this into perspective, ONE(1) CSG traditionally consists of:
- one nuclear aircraft carrier (Crew Approx 5500)
- two guided missile cruisers (approx. 200 each)
- one destroyer (approx. 200)
- one guided missile destroyer (approx. 200)
- one AEGIS cruiser (approx. 1200)
- one frigate
- two nuclear submarines
- one combined ammunition, oiler, and supply ship"

now take that, multiply it by 7, and park it off a nation's coast

In an exercise codenamed Operation Summer Pulse 04, it is expected to arrange for an unprecedented seven aircraft carrier strike groups (CSGs) to rendezvous in waters a safe distance away from the Chinese coastline - but still within striking distance - after mid-July.
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1st one: It says the fleet is in the Pacific.. No where near China it says.. Nice try misleading it.. Still an Op/Ed
2nd One: Still in the Pacific Ocean.. Aka International Waters.. And still by Hawaii The Truman is conducting it's exercise off the coast of Morocco while still conducting communications with the rest of the 7CSG's.. Chinese Propaganda
3rd One: Doesn't say China What's your point about Oil-Rich? The Author can put that in there if he wants..
4th One: Again China.. I love Chinese Propaganda
5th One: Says in the West Pacific..
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Now let me insert my own.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...0630-nns01.htm
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By Journalist 2nd Class Barrie Barber, RIMPAC Combined Information Bureau

PEARL HARBOR (NNS) -- Almost 18,000 military personnel from seven nations are engaged in combined and joint operations in the waters surrounding the Hawaiian Islands in June. The purpose of exercise Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2004 is to improve multinational cooperation and interoperability between allies.

Forty ships from the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea and Chile are testing their capabilities in a show of international presence, spanning the spectrum from the might of a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to the specialized technology of minesweepers. Seven submarines and 100 aircraft will also be part of the month-long exercise, which will conclude July 27.
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Rim of the Pacific Exercise (RIMPAC)
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Rim of the Pacific is a biennial large-scale multinational power projection/sea control exercise. Conducted biennially (every even year) under the leadership of the US Third Fleet, RIMPAC is a multinational, combined sea mobility exercise in which the ROK, the US, Australia, Canada, Chile, England, and Japan have participated since 1971. RIMPAC is designed to enhance the tactical capabilities and cooperation of participating nations in various aspects of maritime operations at sea

The exercise is held with the objective to increase mutual cooperation and enhance the combined operations capabilities among the countries around the rim of the Pacific Ocean so that they can ensure the safety of major sea lines of communication (SLOCs) and improve their combined response capabilities in the event of conflict on the sea.
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At some point, as I have established in multiple references, the fleet will sail to Taiwan streights, it is NOT a fixed object, Fleets are MOBILE... YES they will gather at Pearl, but at some point they will be uncomfortably close to Taiwan WTF is your major malfunction?
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1st one: It says the fleet is in the Pacific.. No where near China it says.. Nice try misleading it.. Still an Op/Ed
2nd One: Still in the Pacific Ocean.. Aka International Waters.. And still by Hawaii The Truman is conducting it's exercise off the coast of Morocco while still conducting communications with the rest of the 7CSG's.. Chinese Propaganda
3rd One: Doesn't say China What's your point about Oil-Rich? The Author can put that in there if he wants..
4th One: Again China.. I love Chinese Propaganda
5th One: Says in the West Pacific..

look at the dates and notice which ones are most recent...
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At some point, as I have established in multiple references, the fleet will sail to Taiwan streights, it is NOT a fixed object, Fleets are MOBILE... YES they will gather at Pearl, but at some point they will be uncomfortably close to Taiwan WTF is your major malfunction?

he's in denial of his government's stupidity
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look at the dates and notice which ones are most recent...
So? He's trying to point out it's right off China Coast.. When the Pacific Ocean is International Waters and there is no rules what is allowed or not..
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At some point, as I have established in multiple references, the fleet will sail to Taiwan streights, it is NOT a fixed object, Fleets are MOBILE... YES they will gather at Pearl, but at some point they will be uncomfortably close to Taiwan WTF is your major malfunction?
Taiwan is only participating in it with Troops which is the first to have done so since 1971
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So? He's trying to point out it's right off China Coast.. When the Pacific Ocean is International Waters and there is no rules what is allowed or not..
I KNOW WHERE HAWAII IS AND I KNOW WHERE CHINA IS! IT WILL SAIL CLOSE TO BOTH!
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I KNOW WHERE HAWAII IS AND I KNOW WHERE CHINA IS! IT WILL SAIL CLOSE TO BOTH!
Show me a credible site besides Chinese Propaganda which you love for example USA Today, Washington Times, etc.. Even better... Navy News..
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Show me a credible site besides Chinese Propaganda which you love for example USA Today, Washington Times, etc.. Even better... Navy News..

it says right in the article that they're keeping this hush hush
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