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Ever heard of ECM causing a missile to go off target? Don't have to shoot it down then, just watch it fly by.

You're assuming that you will have a wealth of time to respond to a sunburn launch

"When slower missiles, like the French Exocet are used, the maximum theoretical response time for the defending ship is 150-120 seconds. This provides time to launch countermeasures and employ jamming before deploying "hard" defense tactics such as launching missiles and using quick-firing artillery. But the 3M82 "Mosquito" missiles are extremely fast and give the defending side a maximum theoretical response time of merely 25-30 seconds, rendering it extremely difficult to employ jamming and countermeasures, let alone fire missiles and quick-firing artillery."

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/m...row/moskit.htm
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the mk 15 phalanx has a range of a mile. do the math to figure out how long it takes to travel a mile at mach 3 and tell me how many shells the phalanx can fire in that time.
18,000 rounds
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18,000 rounds

do you not get the point, the mk 15 phalanx is CIWS and they've already admitted that CIWS is ineffective against sunburn..

But the 3M82 "Mosquito" missiles are extremely fast and give the defending side a maximum theoretical response time of merely 25-30 seconds, rendering it extremely difficult to employ jamming and countermeasures, let alone fire missiles and quick-firing artillery."
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do you not get the point, the mk 15 phalanx is CIWS and they've already admitted that CIWS is ineffective against sunburn..
So? I was asked a question I supplied an answer.
(not even a real one just a random number heheh)

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Move forward 3 years and

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/m...TE=Aug+13,+2003

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/966345/posts

poor sunburn Foiled Again
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So? I was asked a question I supplied an answer.
(not even a real one just a random number heheh)

Lighten up Francis

yeah it's hard not to realize that your math was more than a little off

and how about if i don't feel like lightening up? what're you gonna do about it?
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You're assuming that you will have a wealth of time to respond to a sunburn launch

"When slower missiles, like the French Exocet are used, the maximum theoretical response time for the defending ship is 150-120 seconds. This provides time to launch countermeasures and employ jamming before deploying "hard" defense tactics such as launching missiles and using quick-firing artillery. But the 3M82 "Mosquito" missiles are extremely fast and give the defending side a maximum theoretical response time of merely 25-30 seconds, rendering it extremely difficult employ jamming and countermeasures, let alone fire missiles and quick-firing artillery."

Well, hell, do you really think the US Navy would just let a Chinese warship pull up right next to them to shoot one of those things at them?

Those things are over the horizon type of weapons. Jamming the electronics doesn't take that long to deploy. You sense the firing, you deploy the ECM, you watch it fly by.

I don't have the info on how they plan to stop it in case it happens (it would be classified), but I can guess real well you could do one of 2 things:

1. Alter trajectory so it flies somewhere else
2. Spoof the Chinese Navy into firing the missile somewhere else.

Plus, remember the US also has some neat toys like submarines that could do a real nice job of finding and sinking the warships before they even have a chance to shoot one of those things off in the first place. Those things can't be detected until the missile leaves the sub. By that time, it's man the lifeboats time.
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Radar + CIWS > supersonic anti-ship missiles

Now the super cavitation torps could be a problem if they are operational.

In a battle between sword and sheild, the best the shield can do is force a draw.

So more like:

Radar + CIWS < supersonic anti-ship missiles
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So really, if were worried about being able to win a war with China, were not the *superpower* we like to think we are, are we?
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In a battle between sword and sheild, the best the shield can do is force a draw.

So more like:

Radar + CIWS < supersonic anti-ship missiles

Actually throughout history a properly deployed shield renders your enemy helpless by exausting him. Then you walk up and kick him in the nuts and it's all over but the surrender ceremony.
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So? I was asked a question I supplied an answer.
(not even a real one just a random number heheh)

Lighten up Francis



Move forward 3 years and

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/m...TE=Aug+13,+2003

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/966345/posts

poor sunburn Foiled Again

I see they finally upgraded the damned thing.

What was CIWS an acronym for? Christ, It Won't Shoot?

Learned something new today.
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the mk 15 phalanx has a range of a mile. do the math to figure out how long it takes to travel a mile at mach 3 and tell me how many shells the phalanx can fire in that time.

4,500 rpm = 75 rps.

mach 3 --> just under 2 seconds per mile.

so about 160 rounds.

In other words, fuck all.
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So really, if were worried about being able to win a war with China, were not the *superpower* we like to think we are, are we?

You always worry about your enemies capabilities. It's how you win wars in the first place.

Overconfidence has no place on the battle field. It's how you get killed.
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Actually throughout history a properly deployed shield renders your enemy helpless by exausting him. Then you walk up and kick him in the nuts and it's all over but the surrender ceremony.

True, but you forget one thing, a point-defence gun like Goalkeeper and Phalanx can only engage one missile at once. If you have two or three coming in at the same time, game over. And a single missile can really fuck up a ship.Google "Sheffield Exocet".

Btw, does the US navy use anti-missile missiles at close range?
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4,500 rpm = 75 rps.

mach 3 --> just under 2 seconds per mile.

so about 160 rounds.

In other words, fuck all.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-15.htm


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http://www.military.cz/usa/navy/weap...phalanx_en.htm
range classified

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmor...usa/.ciws.html

range 5500 m
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Range Classified

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/index.php3?page=1968

This 20mm automatic Gatling gun CIWS (Close-In Weapon System) has a range of approximately 1 mile and can fire at the rate of 3,000 rpm.

meh.
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