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"Liberal Idiot"

Don't wanna be an Liberal idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new mania.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind fuck America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alienation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Well maybe I'm the America.
I'm not a part of a Michael Moore's agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alienation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Don't wanna be an Liberal idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alienation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

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Old 05-02-2005, 03:35 AM mofugger is offline  
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I'm willing to bet had Saddam used chemical or biological weapons during either gulf war, we would have used some low yeild nukes (< 15 kiloton)
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Japan had already offered surrender by the time the nukes were used. Their sole purpose was to intimidate Stalin.

Modern strategic nukes are much more powerful, and modern cities more densely populated. Nothing could justify murder on that scale.
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I will probably get flamed for this but the biggest reason for some americans to always promote war, and gladly approve of any means necessary in warfare is simply because they have not had the pleasure of being bombed to fucking smithereens.
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lol revisionist history

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Japan had already offered surrender by the time the nukes were used. Their sole purpose was to intimidate Stalin.
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most europeans haven't lived through being bombed to smithereens either, stfu.

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I will probably get flamed for this but the biggest reason for some americans to always promote war, and gladly approve of any means necessary in warfare is simply because they have not had the pleasure of being bombed to fucking smithereens.
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lol revisionist history

Or, alternatively, the truth

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most europeans haven't lived through being bombed to smithereens either, stfu.
My grandparents house was destroyed by the Luftwaffe. So what if I didn't personally witness it? Neither did they.
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I really don't mind you writing your exaggerated pro-am propaganda that much.
Though, when you try talking about japanese history and culture, I wish you could spell "seppuku" right just once in these miserable threads. This one was close than the first though
I don't care what you say about my spelling of 1 word.. You hope to deflect the subject off target.

The Japanese have a honor system of victory and losses. They do kill themselves when they are ashamed with defeat unless Emperor tell them to not commit "seppuku".. Had Operation Downfall happen instead of the atomic bombing of Japan, there would have been over 1.5 Million US Marines used in the invasion in 2 waves of invasion. The Japanese had already prepared themselves by constructing over 15,000 suicide torpedoes (Kaiten).. The Japanese still had a functioning industry similar to the Nazi building their V-2 Industry underground. They were saving everything they could to rebuild their "Kamikaze" Air Force which was unknown to the United States that they had over 12,000 Planes to be used against our Carriers, Jeep Carriers, Battleships, Cruisers, Destroyers, LSD/LSM/LST/LSV's, etc for a total of 1900 ships. The British & Australians were planning to assist in this by providing air protection in joint cooperation with the 5th/7th/13th US Army Air Force

The Battle for Japan would have been the biggest bloodbath of Modern Time.. The United States estimated this because of the Battle for Iwo Jima. There were 22,000 Japanese Soldiers on that Island and they fought to the death. Every single fighter died refusing to surrender.

The Destruction by firebombing of Kobe, Tokyo, and Osaka had killed more people than in the both Atomic Bomb uses combined.. The targets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were selected for two important reasons. Nagaski was the munition center for the Japanese war machine whereas Hiroshima was the Naval Construction Yard which had produced alot of the Carriers of the Japanese Fleet, the Yamato and not-finished sister ships, hundreds of destroyers and cruisers, etc..
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nukes nukes blablabla radiation blablabla murder blablabla warcrime...k....now the bottom line for me is...in a perfect world no one needs weapons..this isn't a perfect world....so it's better that the U.S. is the one with the biggest guns than rather, say, some backwards african, middle-eastern, or eastern-european country..i'm pretty confident that if the soviets got nukes first and the u.s. didn't get a chance to develop them, we'd all be speaking russian right now

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I don't care what you say about my spelling of 1 word.. You hope to deflect the subject off target.
Like I said, I don't really care for your propaganda. You are doing a guess job off things that were there 60 years ago, and people didn't know back then. You are willing to accept this side only because it justifies the use of a nuclear weapon.
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The Japanese have a honor system of victory and losses. They do kill themselves when they are ashamed with defeat unless Emperor tell them to not commit "seppuku"..

Yeah, and they only watch hentai when they are not busy being in samurai armor.
That is the way it has been for many centuries. Thank you for your kind evaluation.
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most europeans haven't lived through being bombed to smithereens either, stfu.
There was that thing called world war 2 you might want to check out. Of course, it happened 60 years ago so I guess it is in the history books only anymore, right?
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It's impossible to say, the only thing we know is that they were dropped, and as a direct result Japan was instantly out of the war.

not quite. Hiroshima 8/6/45. Nagasaki 8/9/45 .Jap surrender accepted by Allies 8/15/45.

hundreds of thousands died in Japan AFTER Hiroshima .

but this little fact doesn't fit your scree , so feel free to ignore it.
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i'd be willing to wager that most europeans are younger than 60 years old, so my point still stands.

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There was that thing called world war 2 you might want to check out. Of course, it happened 60 years ago so I guess it is in the history books only anymore, right?
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i'd be willing to wager that most europeans are younger than 60 years old, so my point still stands.
I'm willing to wager you are a stupid fuck that has no idea on anything
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When japan fought WWII they were less than 100 years out of their feudal era. Their old world traditions were in many people still alive and well.

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Yeah, and they only watch hentai when they are not busy being in samurai armor.
That is the way it has been for many centuries. Thank you for your kind evaluation.
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