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Republicans say it's okay to rape, as long as Haliburton does it

Did you all hear about Franken's bill to deny contracts to military contractors that cover up sexual assaults on their employees? This all came about after a female contractor in the mid-east was gangraped by her fellow KBR employees, put in a shipping container without food/water, and was told by her superiors she would be sued to hell and back if she exposed it.

Well she did expose it, and Al Franken got ahold of the story, and put forth a bill that would deny contracts to companies that prevent sexual assault cases from being heard in court.

http://www.collegenews.com/index.php..._102220091628/

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An amendment introduced by Minnesota Senator, Al Franken, would protect employees’ right to sue if they are sexually assaulted. The bill would cut off private contractors (Halliburton) from working with the government if they restrict their employees from suing after such an incident.

Currently,as it stands, these contractors do not allow these cases to reach a U.S. Court. Instead, it must go to private arbitration due to confidentiality clauses. This amendment is a direct response to the Jamie Leigh Jones case of 2007. Without going into graphic detail, Jones had claimed that seven of her KBR co-workers drugged and gang-raped her while she was working in Iraq as an administrative assistant. After reporting the crime, evidence was taken by a doctor and placed into a rape kit, which was given to KBR security forces and promptly lost. It was later recovered by the State Department sans key photographs and notes.

Jones was initially unable to sue KBR (a Halliburton subsidiary) because of a clause in her contract, but has since fought to change that state of affairs, resulting in Franken’s bill. The amendment was expected to pass with an enormous majority, but passed with a healthy 68-30 vote in the Senate.

Those 30 senators, all Republicans, have come under tremendous fire across the board as a result of their votes. Who are they you ask? The US Senate has a list all ready for your perusal, which includes Senator and former Presidential candidate, John McCain, and South Carolina’s, Lindsey Graham.
Obviously the republicans care more about the bottom line of Haliburton than they do about rape victims.

edit: for a laugh go to www.republicansforrape.org

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It's not rape rape-Whoopi Goldberg on the drugging and rape of a 13 year old girl. I guess liberals say it's ok to rape as long as you are popular.
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I'm embarrassed to say that my one of my state reps, Richard Burr, voted against the Franken Bill. His office has since been inundated with letters, phonecalls, etc. from some really pissed off people.
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A constituent from Georgia wrote to senator Saxby Chambliss (who voted against the amendment) to explain his reasons for opposing it and he responded:

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Thank you for contacting me regarding Senate Amendment 2588 (S. Amdt. 2588) as it pertains the National Defense Authorization Act for the 2010 fiscal year (NDAA). It is good to hear from you.

During the recent debate on the NDAA, Senator Franken introduced S. Amdt. 2588 which would drastically change the way the Department of Defense (DoD) interacts with defense contractors. Specifically, this amendment bans the DoD from doing business with any contractor that has a mandatory arbitration clause with its employees. Therefore, all defense contractors that want to continue to receive federal funding will be forced to eliminate mandatory arbitration as an option for resolving employment disputes.

I strongly believe rape is a terrible crime and that those who commit sexual assault should be punished. However, the Franken amendment was not the proper way to address this issue. This amendment creates a major, fundamental change in U.S. labor law that goes far beyond Ms. Jones' claim against Halliburton. Instead, I strongly support the U.S. Justice Department being more aggressive in prosecuting cases of rape and violent crime in all situations where they have jurisdiction.

From a legal standpoint, the elimination of arbitration as an option leaves employees with only the option of going to court, which often to the determent of the employee is a very expensive and lengthy process. Arbitration allows employees to still make their claim and pay nothing or nearly nothing to do so because an employee does not have to hire an attorney for arbitration. As such, I voted against the inclusion of the Franken Amendment to the NDAA.
Bob Corker (R-Tenn) and Johnny Isakson (R-Ga):
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"This vote has been grossly misunderstood, oversimplified, and misreported. Senator Corker, the father of two daughters, believes what happened to Jamie Leigh Jones is abhorrent and that the culprits should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; further, he agrees that rape, battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress should not be arbitrated, but the Franken amendment went far beyond the ill it was trying to remedy to encompass most possible employment claims," said Laura Lefler Herzog, communications director for Corker.

"This would be a major, fundamental change in U.S. labor law and I believe it would be very detrimental to employees to eliminate arbitration as an option," Isakson said. The statement inaccurately portrays Franken's amendment: Employees would still be able to elect to use arbitration; they simply wouldn't be forced into it."
I'm not defending these senators, just thought the thread could use as much info as possible.

Another thing that most of these stories aren't mentioning is that the White House also opposed the amendment, though Obama said he supported the intent and just wanted to make sure it was enforceable.

Also, if anybody's interested in reading the actual amendment, you can find it here.
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A constituent from Georgia wrote to senator Saxby Chambliss (who voted against the amendment) to explain his reasons for opposing it and he responded:



Bob Corker (R-Tenn) and Johnny Isakson (R-Ga):


I'm not defending these senators, just thought the thread could use as much info as possible.

Another thing that most of these stories aren't mentioning is that the White House also opposed the amendment, though Obama said he supported the intent and just wanted to make sure it was enforceable.

Also, if anybody's interested in reading the actual amendment, you can find it here.

Funny that they both fail to mention arbitration is what has kept the womans claim from going to court, which she wants, and has been used similarly in other cases and the amendment is only against MANDATORY arbitration clauses so anyone who wanted to could still go to arbitration. I'm sure it's in this womans best interest not to have her rape case brought to court though.
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It's not rape rape-Whoopi Goldberg on the drugging and rape of a 13 year old girl. I guess liberals say it's ok to rape as long as you are popular.

What else does Whoopi think? That girl is crazy haha!
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So it won't be "mandatory," but what's to stop them from making you read with the knowledge that you must sign a "volunteer" form to accept arbitration or you will magically somehow lose your job or never get it in the first place.

I don't see where it says the GOP, DoD, or White House condones rape--it says they agree with the intent of the amendment, but want to revise it so that it's even more enforceable.
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So it won't be "mandatory," but what's to stop them from making you read with the knowledge that you must sign a "volunteer" form to accept arbitration or you will magically somehow lose your job or never get it in the first place.

I don't see where it says the GOP, DoD, or White House condones rape--it says they agree with the intent of the amendment, but want to revise it so that it's even more enforceable.

because it's a lot more fun to say "republicans support rape" than to actually think about the issue at hand
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Funny that they both fail to mention arbitration is what has kept the womans claim from going to court, which she wants, and has been used similarly in other cases and the amendment is only against MANDATORY arbitration clauses so anyone who wanted to could still go to arbitration. I'm sure it's in this womans best interest not to have her rape case brought to court though.


Actually no, it IS in her best interest to bring it to court where the company's despicable actions will be brought out into the sunshine. The problem with arbitration is that the chances of being made whole are slim to none, whereas the whole point of a civil court system is to make the plaintiff whole again if he prevails. According to the American Arbitration Association plaintiffs win only 48% of the time in claims brought against American businesses. And while that number seems fair, consider that it is a black or white question. Did they win or lose? It does not include any analysis on whether the plaintiff was made whole or not. In debating this law Al Franken made a damn good point. If, in her arbitration case against Halliburton this lady had won $50.00 (Fifty) the AAA would have considered it a win. But really, does $50 even come close to paying back a woman for being gang raped while on the clock , by other employees on the clock, and then have the company literally and legally kidnap and hold her against her will? Hell, she still has her medical bills to contend with from the damage done to her body.

Personally, I think this lady deserves millions. And in fact, if the other employee had not slipped this lady a cellphone, I would bet money that they would have just killed her and dumped the body. Its a warzone. All they have to say is that she walked off the property by herself... its happened several times before.


I think another thing surrounding this that shows just how despicable the republicans are is that if Congress trys to illegally take money from a non-profit organization that helps people register to vote (Acorn) everything is hunky dory. But as soon as you go after a war contractor for allowing its employees to rape another employee, all hell breaks loose. Just goes to show you how they feel about women (they belong in the kitchen), and the morals that they hold (none).
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It's not rape rape-Whoopi Goldberg on the drugging and rape of a 13 year old girl. I guess liberals say it's ok to rape as long as you are popular.

Yes. Let's expand this marvellous point when Whoopi starts making legislation shall we?

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Actually no, it IS in her best interest to bring it to court where the company's despicable actions will be brought out into the sunshine. The problem with arbitration is that the chances of being made whole are slim to none, whereas the whole point of a civil court system is to make the plaintiff whole again if he prevails. According to the American Arbitration Association plaintiffs win only 48% of the time in claims brought against American businesses. And while that number seems fair, consider that it is a black or white question. Did they win or lose? It does not include any analysis on whether the plaintiff was made whole or not. In debating this law Al Franken made a damn good point. If, in her arbitration case against Halliburton this lady had won $50.00 (Fifty) the AAA would have considered it a win. But really, does $50 even come close to paying back a woman for being gang raped while on the clock , by other employees on the clock, and then have the company literally and legally kidnap and hold her against her will? Hell, she still has her medical bills to contend with from the damage done to her body.

Personally, I think this lady deserves millions. And in fact, if the other employee had not slipped this lady a cellphone, I would bet money that they would have just killed her and dumped the body. Its a warzone. All they have to say is that she walked off the property by herself... its happened several times before.


I removed the worst part of your post because the retardation was causing an overload in my brain.

That gone, this was a good post.

For shit like this (and shit like the insurance companies giving employees bonuses for dropping people who need coverage) the companies in question should be fucking gutted and the people responsible put in general population jail for a long ass time.
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Yes. Let's expand this marvellous point when Whoopi starts making legislation shall we?

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poor strawman with a strawman.

We have a whole shitload of people with the above attitude throwing their efforts EFFECTIVELY for candidates of their choice. Yet no one gets upset when they make such statments.

But if say a Fox talking head said the same thing about one of their buddies not deserving punishment the bonfires would burn from months.

Call back when you have a clue DumbHo
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Actually no, it IS in her best interest to bring it to court where the company's despicable actions will be brought out into the sunshine. The problem with arbitration is that the chances of being made whole are slim to none, whereas the whole point of a civil court system is to make the plaintiff whole again if he prevails. According to the American Arbitration Association plaintiffs win only 48% of the time in claims brought against American businesses. And while that number seems fair, consider that it is a black or white question. Did they win or lose? It does not include any analysis on whether the plaintiff was made whole or not. In debating this law Al Franken made a damn good point. If, in her arbitration case against Halliburton this lady had won $50.00 (Fifty) the AAA would have considered it a win. But really, does $50 even come close to paying back a woman for being gang raped while on the clock , by other employees on the clock, and then have the company literally and legally kidnap and hold her against her will? Hell, she still has her medical bills to contend with from the damage done to her body.

Personally, I think this lady deserves millions. And in fact, if the other employee had not slipped this lady a cellphone, I would bet money that they would have just killed her and dumped the body. Its a warzone. All they have to say is that she walked off the property by herself... its happened several times before.


I think another thing surrounding this that shows just how despicable the republicans are is that if Congress trys to illegally take money from a non-profit organization that helps people register to vote (Acorn) everything is hunky dory. But as soon as you go after a war contractor for allowing its employees to rape another employee, all hell breaks loose. Just goes to show you how they feel about women (they belong in the kitchen), and the morals that they hold (none).
The last part of my post was sarcastic.
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