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Frontiers.org - are they helping muslims or are they crusading?

I just found out my sister is leaving for Morocco in late February to help a group called Frontiers. I hadn't really heard about this group until my sister, as she is the only Christian in the family. I had a long debate with her, but I want to hear what you guys think.

Their official ethos is:

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Frontiers is an international non-profit organization, recruiting, sending and serving teams of ordinary people for long-term service to the communities of the Muslim world. Our members serve in businesses, community development, and other service capacities to help provide resources and knowledge through love and respect to those who are in need.
They claim that they want to help Muslims and will provide them respect for their cultures.

Upon further examination, their two main goals are to teach Muslims English and the truth of the "word of god".

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Frontiers works with an international network of partners, desiring to see all Muslim peoples of the world engaged, in love and respect, with the message of the good news of Jesus by 2025. (See our definition of "engaged" below.)
I told her that I disagree with her doing this. The group's goal is to go to Arab lands and convert them from Islam to Christianity. She claims it is "spreading the good word of the lord" and "saving destitute Muslims from never hearing the true word." She never used to talk like that

Also, morocco is 97% Muslims, with a history of attacks on missionaries, so I fear for her safety, as historically religious crusades form enemies.

I know all Christians believe in missionary work and spreading their religion, but the wording on the website clearly shows they DON'T have "respect for other cultures", feeling that Muslims with their established religion need to be converted to believe the Christian religion.

What do you guys think about Frontiers?
Old 01-10-2010, 11:35 AM Intuitiv is offline  
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I think the mission is noble depending on how they carry it out; however they risk serious punishment if they go to the wrong places.
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If you want to talk about history, you should probably understand what "Crusading" means first.
Otherwise I have been under the attack of Mormon crusades for years.

And even if that group isn't directly trying to convert people, they are probably secretly hoping for it and would probably facilitate it. Now how much danger that puts your sister in, who knows... There will always be some nut job or many that takes offense to something.
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just ask her how she would feel if a bunch of muslims moved in next door to her and tried to make sure she "heard the true word of god"
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I just found out my sister is leaving for Morocco in late February to help a group called Frontiers. I hadn't really heard about this group until my sister, as she is the only Christian in the family. I had a long debate with her, but I want to hear what you guys think.

Their official ethos is:



They claim that they want to help Muslims and will provide them respect for their cultures.

Upon further examination, their two main goals are to teach Muslims English and the truth of the "word of god".



I told her that I disagree with her doing this. The group's goal is to go to Arab lands and convert them from Islam to Christianity. She claims it is "spreading the good word of the lord" and "saving destitute Muslims from never hearing the true word." She never used to talk like that

Also, morocco is 97% Muslims, with a history of attacks on missionaries, so I fear for her safety, as historically religious crusades form enemies.

I know all Christians believe in missionary work and spreading their religion, but the wording on the website clearly shows they DON'T have "respect for other cultures", feeling that Muslims with their established religion need to be converted to believe the Christian religion.

What do you guys think about Frontiers?

Since when do we ALL give a fuck about who belongs to "our" religion?

Instead of being anti-christian, why don't you support your sister for doing something that SHE believes in.
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Since when do we ALL give a fuck about who belongs to "our" religion?

Instead of being anti-christian, why don't you support your sister for doing something that SHE believes in.

i think hes just worried about her getting killed by some radical religious fundamentalist over there, hes not necessarily being anti-christian. but i may be wrong
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i think hes just worried about her getting killed by some radical religious fundamentalist over there, hes not necessarily being anti-christian. but i may be wrong

read what I quoted in red.

True ignorance there.
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read what I quoted in red.

True ignorance there.

of course not ALL christians believe in spreading "their" religion, im not agreeing with that generalization. i was reading the line before that which reads:
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Also, morocco is 97% Muslims, with a history of attacks on missionaries, so I fear for her safety, as historically religious crusades form enemies
which is why i figured he was just scared of her getting murdered or something, and not necessarily hating on christianity
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Since when do we ALL give a fuck about who belongs to "our" religion?

Instead of being anti-christian, why don't you support your sister for doing something that SHE believes in.

YOur right, I'm sure not all Christians are interested in missionary work and spreading the word. According to the bible though, it is the responsibility of a Christian to spread the wrod and grow the ministry, so I guess only the devout Christians who actually read the bible care, not the ones who go to church on Easter and Christmas and that's it.
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Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
now that we have that all figured out

Sister could believe in scientology for all I care. I disagree with the orginization's lack of respect for an orginized religion, and I'm concerned for her safety. She will be on southern morroco, which is basically in civil war with "western sahara" and she doesn't even know what Berber Muslim means.

Missionary work, if at all, should be focused on people who are destitute, not focused on converting people from their established religion because "ours is better"

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All you can do is share your opinion, but in the end, you're not doing right if you don't support what your sister wants to do, even if you think it's a mistake.

What have your parents said? It's not like your sister needs the green light from you to go do what she wants.
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All you can do is share your opinion, but in the end, you're not doing right if you don't support what your sister wants to do, even if you think it's a mistake. .

Thanks, that is a good bit of advice.

I was thinking this would turn in to a debate of missionary groups in general, more specifically about frontiers, but I appreciate the more specific responses.
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people that get killed because they were arguing about their imaginary friends don't get a lot of sympathy from me
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a group of women did that in Afghanistan before our little occupation.

They got caught proselytizing and handing out christian pamphlets which is illegal there and were arrested.

They should have been executed as the law calls for. But they were eventually released after all the american hand wringing.

I dont know if it was the same group.


http://www.vhpsampark.org/index.php/Crusade-Watch/




"Undercover missions can't justify breaking laws"


Now International was the organization involved
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There's so many things wrong with what your sister believes I really doubt there's anything you can say that will change her mind.
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All you can do is share your opinion, but in the end, you're not doing right if you don't support what your sister wants to do, even if you think it's a mistake.

What have your parents said? It's not like your sister needs the green light from you to go do what she wants.
Being blood relatives doesn't mean you have to unconditionally support something your family does, especially when it's as stupid as what his sisters doing.
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