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I am going to try and reply as snark free as i can to this post because this is a serious thrad.

Have you ever had a prolonged exposure to farm animals? I grew up on a farm (which taught me a lot about farming, and life in general... ). Most farm animals are as intelligent as a turnip. I shit you not, A farmer who thinks that the cows are happy or sad is only deluding themselves.

Hell, if you have an animal that eats meat like a pig, you can get into a nice loving relationship with said pig, and treat it like a house pet and love and tender it for years. You would get to the point where you think the pig loves you, but if you were to die in front of that pig and it was hungry, it wouldn't THINK TWICE about eating you.

ive seen docile cows that everyone would say that are harmless, kill and mame other animals. I've seen a mother cow trample her own young, to get away from a bull. They really are stupid bags of delicious meat that make lots of poop.

Even with all that said, i still strongly am against the farming industry as it is today, Corn fed beef is just wrong, and factory farming is just a bad idea ecologically, as well as ethically.






On a different note. To the OP, as long as you don't preach about it, i don't see how you could have a problem with it. I think you need to rethink your going out strategies with your friends. If you are going to a steakhouse than the vegetarian options are going to be limited and as you said, you are going to spend 30 bucks for some corn. I recommend Asian food. I thought vegetarianism was a joke, and that all vegetarian food was dog shit until i tried real vegetarian Asian food. A lot of vegetarian Chinese, Indian, Thai is better than their meat laden counterparts. So if you go out with friends, they can eat meat and you can eat delicious food too. I never in a thousand years would of thought that id voluntarily go to a vegetarian only restaurant, but there is an indian place close to me that is to die for...

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Tofu in western cuisine is fuckin horrible, Tofurkey, tofu hot dogs and anything where Tofu is made to simulate meat is just wrong and unholy. Tofu in the right dish, is delicious.

It can go many ways, humans are just as insane if they want to be, especially if youre kept in a farm with limited space where you are made to be veal cows sucking milk out of you when you dont have any to be produced, or the fact that youre cramped in places with your own piss and feces, youd go insane or delusional too. Compare farmed animals to free ranged or wild animals and there are behavioral differences.

Chinese veggie is VERY nice, especially when you go to the proper restaurants that are specially made for veggie. I was in HK and my friend who is a big meat eater took me to a veggie restaurant, and the food there was amazing. You just go to know where to find good veggie food.
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:41 PM hurley griffin is offline  
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ya. it's totally about the sauces and spices. It's pretty easy to make veggies taste awesome.

We have orange and red peppers all the time. We throw them in a frying pan and use this sweet chili sauce, and holy shit
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See, I'm not entirely sold that if we just gave the ecosystem more room, it would be able to handle itself. We've not been here that long, I'm pretty sure we're dependant on the earth, and it isn't dependant on us.

Regardless of my example, the point still stands; and that's all that matters.

well the Deer example doesn't mean the earth is dependent on us. It means we killed all their natural predators and are basically left with the aftermath.

who knew things that like to hunt us, also hunt deer and keep their population in check. No one in the 19th century knew, thats for sure.
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It can go many ways, humans are just as insane if they want to be, especially if youre kept in a farm with limited space where you are made to be veal cows sucking milk out of you when you dont have any to be produced, or the fact that youre cramped in places with your own piss and feces, youd go insane or delusional too. Compare farmed animals to free ranged or wild animals and there are behavioral differences.

again, you need to see an active farm in person, and not just on a visit. Cows (the Domesticated kind) couldn't survive in the wild. They just couldn't, be it predators, diet, the harshness of winter, or breaking their legs in the woods or whatever. On a small scale (again, i want to point out i am against industrial style farming) the cows are not kept in small cages and stuff like that, they don't go delusional and crazy, they are just fuckin stupid.

great example, I would wake up at the crack of dawn in the winter to feed the fuckers. Id lay out the food (grain for winter, since the grass was dead, or hay if we had it) and as soon as i would put out the food 3 or 4 cows would come to eat the food while shitting on it at the same time (forcing me to kick them away from the food and clean/save as much as possible for the rest of the cows). They have no concept of hygine, or time. They don't sit around going "hey, lets eat that food, and save some for later" or "hey, i need to take a shit, i dont wanna sit in my shit all day, so ill shit in the corner" they just shit. I've seen cows shit on each other, they don't care.

My dad would often comment on how cows serve two functions. Food, and self sustaining lawn mower, and really that comment holds true.

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Chinese veggie is VERY nice, especially when you go to the proper restaurants that are specially made for veggie. I was in HK and my friend who is a big meat eater took me to a veggie restaurant, and the food there was amazing. You just go to know where to find good veggie food.
amen to that. I had something in singapore made to look like shrimp, and it was better than shrimp.
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again, you need to see an active farm in person, and not just on a visit. Cows (the Domesticated kind) couldn't survive in the wild. They just couldn't, be it predators, diet, the harshness of winter, or breaking their legs in the woods or whatever. On a small scale (again, i want to point out i am against industrial style farming) the cows are not kept in small cages and stuff like that, they don't go delusional and crazy, they are just fuckin stupid.

great example, I would wake up at the crack of dawn in the winter to feed the fuckers. Id lay out the food (grain for winter, since the grass was dead, or hay if we had it) and as soon as i would put out the food 3 or 4 cows would come to eat the food while shitting on it at the same time (forcing me to kick them away from the food and clean/save as much as possible for the rest of the cows). They have no concept of hygine, or time. They don't sit around going "hey, lets eat that food, and save some for later" or "hey, i need to take a shit, i dont wanna sit in my shit all day, so ill shit in the corner" they just shit. I've seen cows shit on each other, they don't care.

My dad would often comment on how cows serve two functions. Food, and self sustaining lawn mower, and really that comment holds true.

amen to that. I had something in singapore made to look like shrimp, and it was better than shrimp.

I mean all my information is from reading and watching videos of the worst kind of how animals are treated. Animals like cows and alike just eat/graze on food all day, so Im guessing thats what they do I cant comment on further on the fact that they shit where they eat comment, but to the point, animals do feel, even if some are what you described. Again not all animals are like that.

Yea I cant wait to go again to find all these amazing food places, food in the UK is just too boring and bland, no matter what restaurant you go to....
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Until there is a danger of the cows forming an alliance and starting to kill off all of mankind, I will feel no remorse for how they or any other animals raised for consumption are treated.
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I mean all my information is from reading and watching videos of the worst kind of how animals are treated. Animals like cows and alike just eat/graze on food all day, so Im guessing thats what they do I cant comment on further on the fact that they shit where they eat comment, but to the point, animals do feel, even if some are what you described. Again not all animals are like that.

Yea I cant wait to go again to find all these amazing food places, food in the UK is just too boring and bland, no matter what restaurant you go to....

I use cows as my example because i grew up mostly on a beef farm, but we also had a few other animals. You would be surprised to learn that pigs are probably the only "intelligent" animal on the farm. Chickens are even more cognitively challenged than cows.

Animals feel pain. No doubt about that. Animals feel emotions? well, again the only emotions ive seen would come from pigs. Cows don't feel remorse, or sorrow, or happiness, they really are indifferent. This is why you can lead cows up to a slaughter, and watch cows watch other cows get offed and they do nothing. Pigs, if they see another pig get slaughtered they freak the fuck out (rightfully), cows not so much.

again, the big farming industry is wrong and horrible, but that shouldn't turn you off to the more natural way of farming. Or Hunted animals, cleaning a deer is kind of a dirty business but i cant think of a more "back to nature" or real experience with your food. Not only is it delicious, its pure.

i understand your reasonings for not eating meat (and in a way i agree with them as they pertain to the animal mean industry), but i am curious to how you feel about the more organic, natural means of animal husbandry. As a meat eater i like the fact that i can buy meat without the hassles of hunting, cleaning, preparation etc but if i had no other choice i would still eat meat by doing the aforementioned activities.
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I was a vegetarian, but now Im back on meat (read earlier post on why Im back on meat)

Im quite a stubborn person, it took a while for me to make myself go back on meat, I buy freerange when I can, but its just mostly eggs. I dont really take interest in meat, but I know what is good and what is not good meat. Only meat that I do enjoy before and after being a veggie has always been beef/steaks cuts.

Of course its easier to say buy freerange but it comes with a price to do so, as normally it would cost nearly double for it, which is why I rather go full veggie then go the freerange route as its cheaper, for me anyway.

One thing I hate is people that calls themselves veggie but eat chicken and fish... I had a girl say she was veggie (I was veggie at that time) and I said to her, I heard you was veggie... but you eat chicken and fish... thats not veggie... then she said I dont like other meats, so I replied back and said, so youre just picky?

As I mentioned earlier, I would love to go back to veggie, once I get my own place.
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I was a vegetarian, but now Im back on meat (read earlier post on why Im back on meat)

Im quite a stubborn person, it took a while for me to make myself go back on meat, I buy freerange when I can, but its just mostly eggs. I dont really take interest in meat, but I know what is good and what is not good meat. Only meat that I do enjoy before and after being a veggie has always been beef/steaks cuts.

Of course its easier to say buy freerange but it comes with a price to do so, as normally it would cost nearly double for it, which is why I rather go full veggie then go the freerange route as its cheaper, for me anyway.

One thing I hate is people that calls themselves veggie but eat chicken and fish... I had a girl say she was veggie (I was veggie at that time) and I said to her, I heard you was veggie... but you eat chicken and fish... thats not veggie... then she said I dont like other meats, so I replied back and said, so youre just picky?

As I mentioned earlier, I would love to go back to veggie, once I get my own place.
yea those people piss me off royally. Almost as bad as militant vegans.


i say, don't cut meat out of your diet completly, but do what you are doing now. Small amounts. I have been trying to up my protein intake lately (so that means more meat) but i have been trying to do it with lean meats, fish, chicken,egg... really hard to do where i live however so i feel the pains you are havin.
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yea those people piss me off royally. Almost as bad as militant vegans.

i say, don't cut meat out of your diet completly, but do what you are doing now. Small amounts. I have been trying to up my protein intake lately (so that means more meat) but i have been trying to do it with lean meats, fish, chicken,egg... really hard to do where i live however so i feel the pains you are havin.

I dont know how Vegans do it, since they even completely cut out products such as leather and any other animal materials out of their life, and everything they own would be made out of polyester. Also living off beans that hasnt been farmed with animal fertilizer seems pretty hard. The body can only cut out so much protein and minerals before it becomes brittle and breaks down.

I still do boycott certain food chains and food products though, places I dont eat at is KFC and McDs (dont really eat out often though to have a big list ) and I dont buy any products made by Nestle for ethical reason behind all 3 companies.

I love lentils and other bean dishes, especially when you make veggie chili, its pretty darn good!! Tomato, potato salad with couscous and a boiled egg is one of my fav too, simple dishes but filling. I have found I actually get hungry quicker eating meat which is strange...

How comes youre trying to up your protein? Not that Im against it btw, just wondering.
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I still do boycott certain food chains and food products though, places I dont eat at is KFC and McDs (dont really eat out often though to have a big list ) and I dont buy any products made by Nestle for ethical reason behind all 3 companies.

NO qualms at all about this. I avoid fast food as much as possible myself, and only eat it if i have no other options or am in a hurry.

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I love lentils and other bean dishes, especially when you make veggie chili, its pretty darn good!! Tomato, potato salad with couscous and a boiled egg is one of my fav too, simple dishes but filling. I have found I actually get hungry quicker eating meat which is strange...
Veggie chilli is awesome, but with a little bit of beef in it is more awesome in my opinion, but its good anyway.

what kind of bean dishes? I have found Soy Beans in their natural state (not made into tofurkey or other bastardizations) to be really delicious, if cooked right.

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How comes youre trying to up your protein? Not that Im against it btw, just wondering.
lose weight and add muscle mass at the same time. I have found that eating 500 calories of protein last me a lot longer as the same calories in carbs. Also, it seems that after a good workout protein really makes the muscles ache a lot less (that plus stretching and hotsprings)
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NO qualms at all about this. I avoid fast food as much as possible myself, and only eat it if i have no other options or am in a hurry.

Veggie chilli is awesome, but with a little bit of beef in it is more awesome in my opinion, but its good anyway.

what kind of bean dishes? I have found Soy Beans in their natural state (not made into tofurkey or other bastardizations) to be really delicious, if cooked right.

lose weight and add muscle mass at the same time. I have found that eating 500 calories of protein last me a lot longer as the same calories in carbs. Also, it seems that after a good workout protein really makes the muscles ache a lot less (that plus stretching and hotsprings)

Kidney beans, bean salad, any type of beans really normally I cook lentil curry, use the red lentils since they cook quicker. Also since youre eating protein, lentils are quite high in protein about 27g per 100g. Have you ever tried Quinoa? It can be a replacement for rice or couscous, its pretty nice, but its quite plain in taste though, not sure what the nutrition value are, but its low in fat.

I like Tofu, especially Tofu hotpot. Most of the veggie dishes Ive had and made are chinese style (Im Chinese) so its hard to explain what the ingredients and flavorings are.
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i like to use tofu as a meat replacement in pasta. basically just replace ground beef with tofu, brown it in a pan and add it to the tomato sauce. it's really good.

i also use it cold on sandwiches in the summer; basically toasted bread, ripe tomato, and sliced tofu, with basil, salt & pepper, pickles, etc.

other than that i don't really eat much tofu. i buy a block every other week.



i've heard good things about lentils, i just haven't gotten around to trying them out. i like cold bean salad though.
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Kidney beans, bean salad, any type of beans really normally I cook lentil curry, use the red lentils since they cook quicker. Also since youre eating protein, lentils are quite high in protein about 27g per 100g. Have you ever tried Quinoa? It can be a replacement for rice or couscous, its pretty nice, but its quite plain in taste though, not sure what the nutrition value are, but its low in fat.

I like Tofu, especially Tofu hotpot. Most of the veggie dishes Ive had and made are chinese style (Im Chinese) so its hard to explain what the ingredients and flavorings are.

lentil curry


well there in runs my problem. I live in Japan, and finding foreign food is already a pain in the ass (we're talking foreign as in, chicken soup without miso) so something like a Quinoa is virtually impossible. Asian foreign foods are a lot easier to find, so something chinese, malaysian, thai is easier than mexican or greek (fuck i miss humus). I would love to increase my protein via lean protein from lentils and beans, but as far as that stuff goes the only thing easilly available is soy. I've switched my snacking habbits a lot lately, so now instead of eating chips or other carb based snack food i go for
Edamame
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edamame
or squid jerky.

as for tofu, i have to say i am in love with Mabo_dofu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabo_dofu
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lentil curry


well there in runs my problem. I live in Japan, and finding foreign food is already a pain in the ass (we're talking foreign as in, chicken soup without miso) so something like a Quinoa is virtually impossible. Asian foreign foods are a lot easier to find, so something chinese, malaysian, thai is easier than mexican or greek (fuck i miss humus). I would love to increase my protein via lean protein from lentils and beans, but as far as that stuff goes the only thing easilly available is soy. I've switched my snacking habbits a lot lately, so now instead of eating chips or other carb based snack food i go for
Edamame
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edamame
or squid jerky.

as for tofu, i have to say i am in love with Mabo_dofu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabo_dofu

Sounds delicious haha!! Humus and some warm pita bread

Man I would crave for some tofu right now

Fuck, I wish I had some ingredients to make up some stuff right now!!

The thing is english veggie food is pretty boring, mostly they serve salad, those massive mushrooms that they use as a "burger", bean burgers, spinach lasagna etc, whereas if you was to have asian style veggie its more interesting.
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