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what about the people who are just fine with LEGAL immigration but are opposed to massive unchecked ILLEGAL immigration? Are they "racist" too?

Oh and for your race baiting :

People "who are just fine with LEGAL immigration but are opposed to massive unchecked ILLEGAL immigration" are self deluded.
The whole reason we have immigration limits started with the desire to keep out Italians and Irish. The whole system is designed to keep the WASP firmly in the superior position. Don't want them dirty paddy's out breeding us do we?

Saying the system is great and needs to be enforced is either admitting to wanting to keep the chinks and spics out, or just ignorance.

The only position that does not raise the race card is the fundamental overhaul of the whole immigration system.
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People "who are just fine with LEGAL immigration but are opposed to massive unchecked ILLEGAL immigration" are self deluded.
The whole reason we have immigration limits started with the desire to keep out Italians and Irish. The whole system is designed to keep the WASP firmly in the superior position. Don't want them dirty paddy's out breeding us do we?

Saying the system is great and needs to be enforced is either admitting to wanting to keep the chinks and spics out, or just ignorance.

The only position that does not raise the race card is the fundamental overhaul of the whole immigration system.


That was completely ignorant unsupported opinion that would make Terri Schivo look like a genius

get the fuck out of my country before I scalp you.
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Most every study indicates that illegals are a small positive or net neutral on our economy.



They depress wages and ship money out of the economy.

Your 'studies' are likely based in part on the Bullshit that they take jobs that citizens wont take.

thats Bullshit. My mother was a migrant worker as were her parents. I have done day labor and did professional dish washing in between jobs in my career.

People that ignorantly spout the things you posted need to in IIRC your own words you should just fuck right off
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Good! The open-for-interpretation phrase "lawful contact" will most likely be changed.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/ph...hejhnkiSQ.cspx



If these changes get approved, I now have no problem with the bill.

Same here. Please ignore my these past two pages of posts (I'm at 100 ppp) if it has been modified to this.
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Morlock, do you think they should more enforce the searching of illegals or going after the companies that hire illegals?
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Morlock, do you think they should more enforce the searching of illegals or going after the companies that hire illegals?
Going after the companies that hire illegals will have the same effect as when the economy tanked in late 08, early 09...as in drastically reducing the number trying to cross the border. However now there is a separate problem of people who would otherwise stay in Mexico fleeing the Cartel violence...this one is even more difficult to address.
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They depress wages and ship money out of the economy.

Your 'studies' are likely based in part on the Bullshit that they take jobs that citizens wont take.

thats Bullshit. My mother was a migrant worker as were her parents. I have done day labor and did professional dish washing in between jobs in my career.

People that ignorantly spout the things you posted need to in IIRC your own words you should just fuck right off

I'm sure you had to compete with millions of legals who really really wanted that job washing dishes...how ever did you stand out amongst the big crowd?
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Going after the companies that hire illegals will have the same effect as when the economy tanked in late 08, early 09...as in drastically reducing the number trying to cross the border. However now there is a separate problem of people who would otherwise stay in Mexico fleeing the Cartel violence...this one is even more difficult to address.

Wouldn't those fit under refugees and Asylum?
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I'm sure you had to compete with millions of legals who really really wanted that job washing dishes...how ever did you stand out amongst the big crowd?

The biggest fucking LIE perpetrated by the pro illegals crowd:

"They ONLY take the shit jobs Americans won't work anyways" and then throw out some snide comment about picking lettuce or washing dishes.

Yeah well for your information the reason I have such a hard on for deporting illegals is not because it's racial, it's because they take work DIRECTLY away from me. I work in a construction trade, have all my life. A skilled one. My father taught me the trade and retired when he had 48yrs exp in, I've got 30 yrs exp at the moment. I've seen, with my own eyes, first hand, how illegals have depressed wages so much in construction that it's getting impossible to make a decent living anymore. When I pay all my taxes (I don't cheat because I don't want to go to jail, my books by law have to be open to state, feds, SS, workman's comp, my bond insurance company, and my liability insurance company.) By law I have to keep up contractor's lic and bond, pay all these fees and overhead, while illegals pay NONE OF THOSE. They come in and underbid me for cash (they don't pay taxes), taking the work away that I or at least another LEGITIMATE contractor would have gotten, at a FAIR price instead of the hamburger flipper wage I'd have to accept in order to begin to compete with their undercutting.

On top of that they are lowering the bar for quality in the trade. Most illegals do shitty work, and since there is such a large pool of shitty work out there now that that HAS NOW BECOME THE STANDARD.

I am not alone in this. Hundreds of thousands of skilled tradespeople across this country have had their lively hood damaged so much they either are lowered to the standard of living to the illegals are forced out of the trades altogether. And every one of them finds it a great fucking joke every time some ignorant motherfucker talks about how "They only take work Americans won't do!"
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As a non-american, I find this debate hilariously funny.
It's as if laws which require LEO discretion to be enforced are suddenly racist, despite the fact that this is how most law enforcement happens anyway.
And as a European, I find the whole set of issues about carrying an ID rather funny too.
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The biggest fucking LIE perpetrated by the pro illegals crowd:

"They ONLY take the shit jobs Americans won't work anyways" and then throw out some snide comment about picking lettuce or washing dishes.

Yeah well for your information the reason I have such a hard on for deporting illegals is not because it's racial, it's because they take work DIRECTLY away from me. I work in a construction trade, have all my life. A skilled one. My father taught me the trade and retired when he had 48yrs exp in, I've got 30 yrs exp at the moment. I've seen, with my own eyes, first hand, how illegals have depressed wages so much in construction that it's getting impossible to make a decent living anymore. When I pay all my taxes (I don't cheat because I don't want to go to jail, my books by law have to be open to state, feds, SS, workman's comp, my bond insurance company, and my liability insurance company.) By law I have to keep up contractor's lic and bond, pay all these fees and overhead, while illegals pay NONE OF THOSE. They come in and underbid me for cash (they don't pay taxes), taking the work away that I or at least another LEGITIMATE contractor would have gotten, at a FAIR price instead of the hamburger flipper wage I'd have to accept in order to begin to compete with their undercutting.

On top of that they are lowering the bar for quality in the trade. Most illegals do shitty work, and since there is such a large pool of shitty work out there now that that HAS NOW BECOME THE STANDARD.

I am not alone in this. Hundreds of thousands of skilled tradespeople across this country have had their lively hood damaged so much they either are lowered to the standard of living to the illegals are forced out of the trades altogether. And every one of them finds it a great fucking joke every time some ignorant motherfucker talks about how "They only take work Americans won't do!"

Wouldn't that be the fault of the company that is hiring the illegals to save a few bucks?
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As a non-american, I find this debate hilariously funny.
It's as if laws which require LEO discretion to be enforced are suddenly racist, despite the fact that this is how most law enforcement happens anyway.
And as a European, I find the whole set of issues about carrying an ID rather funny too.

My issue with the law was that, with the way it could be construed, racial profiling could easily occur. Now that wording is changed, I have no issues with it.
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Wouldn't that be the fault of the company that is hiring the illegals to save a few bucks?

Yeah, don't blame the illegals that are breaking the law
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Yeah, don't blame the illegals that are breaking the law
theyre both breaking the law.
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Wouldn't that be the fault of the company that is hiring the illegals to save a few bucks?

I'm not a large company, I'm an independent contractor. Most of my work is for individual homeowners. I rarely work for general contractors because, you guessed it, they're using illegals. But here's how it works:

A homeowner wants some work done, they solicit bids to get the work done. I come in, with my legit status and paying taxes, cost I have to take into account when giving an estimate. Other tile contractors come in, but since they themselves are illegal or at the least uses illegals, they don't have to factor in the overhead and taxes that I do. They also don't have to factor in the standard of living I'm trying to provide for my family. Since many illegals are single men living together, sharing rent in a cheap place, they don't have the living expenses I do. They are deliberately choosing a lower standard of living, FOR HERE, because to them it is a high standard of compared to where they are from. The money they are able to send home goes a lot further then it does here.

All said and done, illegals undercut me by usually 50% on average. Guess what that means? I don't get the job. Where I used to be able to get (some) of the work because my work was quality, and (some) people are willing to pay for quality, even that "advantage" is getting diluted because so much poor quality is out there that it has become the de facto standard. I'm shocked and saddened nowadays by how many homeowners don't know the difference. All of the work they've seen is shitty so that becomes their benchmark. I've had homeowners smiling and saying "Didn't my tile guy do a nice job!" and I'm sitting there shaking my head.

You know how some folks have been outsourced because their jobs "went overseas" to cheap labor? Well for me and the hundreds of thousands others like me the cheap labor came here. And so I've been outsourced in my own country.
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