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You are inferring an awful lot...since when did I mention detain EVERYONE?

AZ needed a special law to help stem it's illegal issues. They made it and it obviously passed because people wanted it. Should it go country wide? No because other states have no need for such a law.

I'm inferring a lot because it has the possibility of affecting me directly. You have no issue with it because it doesn't affect you. If I lived in Arizona currently, it would go from possibility to definitely affecting me.
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Sarcasm...

You do realize sarcasm is easily lost on a forum right?
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I'm inferring a lot because it has the possibility of affecting me directly. You have no issue with it because it doesn't affect you. If I lived in Arizona currently, it would go from possibility to definitely affecting me.
when it does, inform us.
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when it does, inform us.

You want a PM anytime I visit friends or relatives in Arizona?
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when you get pulled over for being hispanic whilst doing so.
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I'm inferring a lot because it has the possibility of affecting me directly. You have no issue with it because it doesn't affect you. If I lived in Arizona currently, it would go from possibility to definitely affecting me.

Actually illegals affect me directly as well...my little area in PA is quite a hotbed for those shuffling down from NYC and NJ.

I think my wife delivered more illegal's children than anything else last year.

Edit: Actually I think it's half that and half teenage moms...
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Actually illegals affect me directly as well...my little area in PA is quite a hotbed for those shuffling down from NYC and NJ.

I think my wife delivered more illegal's children than anything else last year.

Edit: Actually I think it's half that and half teenage moms...

You do realize the majority of Hispanics from NYC and NJ are legal citizens right?
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I speak fluent English. Both my parents do not. My dad served in the US Military for 25 years.

Do you really think the cops are only going to patrol Home Depot? I haven't even read ACLU's stance on this.

My issue is that because I'm Hispanic, I risk being questioned by the cops
Even though it would be annoying..being questioned, showing them your i.d. and then going about your business really isn't that big of a deal. The problem I see is if a legal resident is for example out jogging or something and a bored cop decides to question that person and there is no i.d. present...can they detain you? That's going way too far and is abuse of power plain and simple..
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You do realize the majority of Hispanics from NYC and NJ are legal citizens right?

No not really...they come down to PA to avoid the law in NYC & NJ.

Hazelton, PA is one hot bed...

Edit: You do realize you are doing the same thing you claimed I was...
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Even though it would be annoying..being questioned, showing them your i.d. and then going about your business really isn't that big of a deal.

Do you speak from experience? Repeated experience?
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There is no reason in 30 years your parents couldn't be completely fluent in English...

That is the problem right there, if you don't want unwanted attention than take means to distance yourself from those who bring it. Learn English...

My grandmother moved here from Germany in the 60s and died 2 years ago. She didn't speak fluent English. She had problems with pronunciation and some words, the accent didn't help. And the last year or so of her life she reverted to German entirely, when she spoke.
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Even though it would be annoying..being questioned, showing them your i.d. and then going about your business really isn't that big of a deal. The problem I see is if a legal resident is for example out jogging or something and a bored cop decides to question that person and there is no i.d. present...can they detain you? That's going way too far and is abuse of power plain and simple..

Thats what I worry about. My uncle is Mexican-American. Born here, raised here. What if he is in Arizona for some reason and doesn't have an ID with him. What happens if he gets a cop who is having a bad day?
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Even though it would be annoying..being questioned, showing them your i.d. and then going about your business really isn't that big of a deal. The problem I see is if a legal resident is for example out jogging or something and a bored cop decides to question that person and there is no i.d. present...can they detain you? That's going way too far and is abuse of power plain and simple..

Which is exactly my issues with this.

Should they stop day laborers looking for jobs? Definitely
Should they severely punish companies that hire illegals? Definitely
Should they stop someone because they look like they aren't from this country? No.
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Which is exactly my issues with this.

Should they stop day laborers looking for jobs? Definitely
Should they severely punish companies that hire illegals? Definitely
Should they stop someone because they look like they aren't from this country? No.
The problem I have is this...if police can't detain a questioned person for not having identification showing they are a U.S. citizen then the law has no teeth and is worthless. On the other hand, giving police the power to detain people for simply being in public without government issued i.d. is crossing a line that I am not at all comfortable with even though I don't look evenly remotely hispanic.

To be fair though, this is simply a reaction at the state level to a very real problem. If the feds step in and put a stop to this nonsense then they should also make a real effort to address the underlying issues that border states have. Like you said in an earlier post suggesting that people who won't be affected by this (non-hispanic, non spanish speaking people) shouldn't judge the reaction of those who will be affected...the same can be said for those living in a non border state that think that California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas are making too big of a deal about illegals. People living elsewhere may think they have a lot of illegals in their state, but I assure you that it is just a trickle of the total number since most of them never make it more than a couple hundred miles away from the border.
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Should they stop someone because they look like they aren't from this country? No.

Considering this is the melting pot of the world and AZ has a big spanish population. They are not stopping them because they look like they are not from AZ. They are stopping them because they do and are acting in a way concurrent with known illegal activities.
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