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I came from a high school with more minorities than whites, and it was tough to watch. Sure minority students have obstacles, some I would even say had odds so insurmountable that no average human, with an average amount of will power, could surpass them.

But the largest obstacle by far was the culture they were inundated in. If any black person was smart, or in honors classes, they were outcast and shunned, called "Uncle Toms". This is not an exception, every single one of them got this abuse, starting in middle school. Therefore, by the end of high school, the honors classes were predominately white and asian (which many said was due to racism ). Hispanic students received similar treatment, though I imagine it may be somewhat worse. They were ostracized if they spoke english well lol.

So much was done to encourage minority participation in honors classes. Promising minority students were personally tutored. And the amount of scholarships for minorities for college, simply because they were a minority, made me rage for quite a long time senior year. A couple managed to fight the abuse, and get to college (most of the football players, however, would get kicked out for stealing or fighting or stupid shit like that). But really, how many can succeed when every single day they are faced with a culture that tells them they are incorrect? That tells them that they are "pussies" for not making a lot of cash, right now, no matter what the cost?

There is something wrong there. Argue that whites caused it, I don't care, it's not my problem. But if that culture is not changed, no amount of help from the government will change it. No programs, no amount of money, will stop the cycle of poverty in the minority population if education is not only looked down upon, but actively put down. Instead, they'll keep trying to make money quickly, which usually makes them turn to crime.

It's an anecdote, so take it for what it is. But it's extremely common. That is the real situation in schools with large, poor minority populations. I was there, I saw it, I lived it. Hell, it's even happening younger now. I volunteered with the boys and girls club to tutor, and saw the same shit with elementary students.

i once attended a lecture in college given by John Singleton where he basically said the exact same thing.

There are no positive black role models. This is however, before obama, id say having a black (even though he has a white mom) president would count as a positive role model
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i once attended a lecture in college given by John Singleton where he basically said the exact same thing.

There are no positive black role models. This is however, before obama, id say having a black (even though he has a white mom) president would count as a positive role model
what about that speech morgan freeman gave about black history month?
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or nelson mandela, he's a hell of a role model to anyone.
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cant argue against mandela or freeman. but the odds are stacked against them.
I think singleton had a little bit more insight into it because he was considered cool at the time and a voice of the AMERICAN black community (something Mandela can't be)
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i once attended a lecture in college given by John Singleton where he basically said the exact same thing.

There are no positive black role models. This is however, before obama, id say having a black (even though he has a white mom) president would count as a positive role model

What about Michael Jordan?
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Hispanic students received similar treatment, though I imagine it may be somewhat worse. They were ostracized if they spoke english well lol.

I can personally vouch for this. However it also was because I wasn't brought up as an American Latino. My parents raised me as if I were still in Puerto Rico. So things that come normal to other people didn't to me because it was a different culture. (style of dress, attitude, etc.)

Since I wasn't gangsta, I wasn't "Latino" enough for them.
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I consider myself to be a moderate on most political issues, but a recent run in with a self-proclaimed liberal at a local restaraunt got me to thinking... I have never once come across a polite liberal.

This latest incident was in a nearly full parking lot. I pulled into a parking spot and immediately heard honking. This old guy in a beatup Neon that looked about 10 years old was banging on his steering wheel and eye balling me. I asked what the problem is and he begans shouting that pickups arent allowed into these parking spots. He insisted vehemently that they were for "green cars" and that I should move.

When I asked where there was anything that labeled these spots as such.. he told me to look at how tight the parking spots were and that I'm an idiot. I laughed it off and began walking around his car to get to the restaraunt. He then took notice of my Air Force sticker on my bumper and started shouting about baby killers and what not. I took the time to get his plates in case he tried anything on my truck and noticed an Obama and a Gore sticker on his bumper.

This is only the latest incident but I have had similar run ins with liberals before.

Now on the other hand,when I first got on base, there was no end to the amount of conservative families that would offer me help, offer me rides , etc. They will go out of their way to help you out and at the same time not try to force their ideology on you. Very selfless people.

Has anyond else had similar experiences?

Posting without reading the rest of the thread. These types of whack-jobs are not exclusive to either side of the politcal scale. Some people are just extremists. Look at Beck for a healthy dose of crazy from the right side.

I'm a liberal and I'll be the first to say your parking lot guy is a douche. He does not represent the majority of moderate liberals any more than Limbaugh represents the majority of sane conservatives.
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OP, looks like Pelosi may agree with you
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those things all remain, but they are not barriers to success, just obstacles. yes, someone from the projects will have a more difficult path getting to college and becoming a successful businessman than some white kid from the suburbs, but the opportunity exists.
I don't see any difference between what you and I said except you chose to play a pointless semantics game that is supposed to somehow mitigate those problems.

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the biggest obstacle, imo, is black culture. it is based upon an "us vs. them" mentality and promotes the misconception that the only way to succeed is to be a great athlete or to get rich at any cost (a big part of the high incarceration rate).
if "us vs. them" is the pervasive mentality, you can institute all the socialism your heart desires, but nothing will change. i won't go so far as to say you can't help someone that doesn't want to change, you can help them materially and physically, but if you can't change their culture, then all you've done is help individuals.
The "us vs them" mentality is a result of the very real discrimination and complete indifference towards blacks in the US, it's not some innate part of black culture.

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give a man a fish and he eats for a day. teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. it's the same concept.
Except the black communities problem is not that they're too lazy to work and never has been, so this is an entirely worthless maxim applied in an obviously racist way.
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Except the black communities problem is not that they're too lazy to work and never has been, so this is an entirely worthless maxim applied in an obviously racist way.

What is the black community's problem then? Oppression by the white man?
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I don't see any difference between what you and I said except you chose to play a pointless semantics game that is supposed to somehow mitigate those problems.
The "us vs them" mentality is a result of the very real discrimination and complete indifference towards blacks in the US, it's not some innate part of black culture.
Except the black communities problem is not that they're too lazy to work and never has been, so this is an entirely worthless maxim applied in an obviously racist way.

no where did you offer a solution. you've got such a lucid vision of american society and culture that you can, no doubt, easily explain what the answer is. don't relegate yourself to the role of a sharpton by only pointing out the problems. please do tell.
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I'm not even sure he lives in US...
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I don't know what you want to accomplish here. Like, what, talk about annoying liberals? We can all bring up anecdotes about bad experiences all day, but you really can't make generalizations from them. I've met conservatives in college that yelled at me for not hating taxes, but then not understanding they were in a subsidized college.

trying to further a tactic in lieu of factual argument, just like the rest of his cohorts. that's what you do when you have nothing to offer except some primo minority whine.

by the 'bumper sticker' analogy, conservatives are asshats at about a 3:1 ratio over everyone else.
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What is the black community's problem then? Oppression by the white man?

Probably centuries of institutionalized racism that still affects the way people view and treat blacks? Zuh?
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