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The irreversible left shift?

It seems that since the 60s we have been on an irreversible left shift. The Liberal agenda has marched forward, sometimes there is a small shift back to the right, but eventually every one step back to the right seems to be replaced by two steps towards the left. So even though we may think that there is a back and forth between right and left, the overall shift is continually towards the left.

Shifts towards the right seem to be moral/values based, and shifts towards the left seem to be based on cultural changes. There is a gradual erosion and attrition of the old morals/values system by the liberal-driven changes in popular culture. This cultural change seems to have been brought about through avenues of pop-culture, television, music, magazines etc, all of which have a liberal bias. Somewhere along the line we collectively decided that pop-culture would become our moral compass, and so we got caught up in its messages and danced to its tune, and it has been the driving force that has moved us continuously left.

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Well regardless of whether this shift you're talking about exists, the US is still quite far right compared to most other developed nations. Obama, while being accused of being a limp leftie would be rather far right in Europe. Pretty funny when you think of it.
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If you define "right" as "Old values and morales" and "left" as "New values," then this process is inevitable as societies evolve and change.

If you actually assign some meaningful political metrics to the terms, you won't find that the US has been shifting to the left much at all other than a few sudden lurches (under FDR, under LBJ especially). We've had business-centric politics for most of the last three decades, hardly a pinnacle of liberalism.
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It seems that since the 60s we have been on an irreversible left shift. The Liberal agenda has marched forward, sometimes there is a small shift back to the right, but eventually every one step back to the right seems to be replaced by two steps towards the left. So even though we may think that there is a back and forth between right and left, the overall shift is continually towards the left.

Shifts towards the right seem to be moral/values based, and shifts towards the left seem to be based on cultural changes. There is a gradual erosion and attrition of the old morals/values system by the liberal-driven changes in popular culture. This cultural change seems to have been brought about through avenues of pop-culture, television, music, magazines etc, all of which have a liberal bias. Somewhere along the line we collectively decided that pop-culture would become our moral compass, and so we got caught up in its messages and danced to its tune, and it has been the driving force that has moved us continuously left.

you've been watching too much glenn beck. you should stop.

if we had been on a right leaning trend, right defined by the republicans of the past 10 years, for the past 50 years, the entire country would look like an indian slum, and would be ruled by a military oligarchy.

the fact is, the current 'right' is nothing more than failed political marketing. it never had any ideas worth espousing. the 'right' of 30 years ago was more left than the left is today. you are 20% of the voting public, time to come to terms with the perpetual minority.

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Why have the left been allowed to take the word 'progressive' as their own? Since they have co-opted that word, we
confuse the liberal agenda with progress. That is how we keep shifting left.

There are certain social/economic milestones that the left has achieved since the 60s that will never be reversed (Actually it really all started with Lloyd George in England). I'm not saying that all these milestones were bad, but I'm just pointing out that the right will never have enough political momentum to reverse these milestones.

I wouldn't classify myself as being on the right necessarily, I'm just trying to point out this shift as an observer of change.

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Why have the left been allowed to take the word 'progressive' as their own? Since they have co-opted that word, we
confuse the liberal agenda with progress. That is how we keep shifting left.

There are certain social/economic milestones that the left has achieved since the 60s that will never be reversed (Actually it really all started with Lloyd George in England). I'm not saying that all these milestones were bad, but I'm just pointing out that the right will never have enough political momentum to reverse these milestones.

I wouldn't classify myself as being on the right necessarily, I'm just trying to point out this shift as an observer of change.

How about you bring some meat to the discussion instead of just spouting vagaries? What leftward shifts are you talking about?
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i would like to know of a right wing policy that could be considered "progressive"

right policies in my mind have always been about extending the status quo, especially when you look at the conservative right and their social policies. There is nothing progressive about the social aspect of the right, hell they are usually more depressive and trying to make things like they were 50 years ago.... not what i would consider progressive policies
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The last thing you want is the ridiculous 'Progressive Conservatives' like we have/had here. The name itself is an oxymoron.You can't stand still/retrench while simultaneously moving forward.

Also, unless you can provide actual evidence of this shift, the last 30 years would like to have a word with you.
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If you define "right" as "Old values and morales" and "left" as "New values," then this process is inevitable as societies evolve and change.

If you actually assign some meaningful political metrics to the terms, you won't find that the US has been shifting to the left much at all other than a few sudden lurches (under FDR, under LBJ especially). We've had business-centric politics for most of the last three decades, hardly a pinnacle of liberalism.

This about sums it up...

If you're talking culturally it only makes sense than people will become more "Liberal."
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i would like to know of a right wing policy that could be considered "progressive"

right policies in my mind have always been about extending the status quo, especially when you look at the conservative right and their social policies. There is nothing progressive about the social aspect of the right, hell they are usually more depressive and trying to make things like they were 50 years ago.... not what i would consider progressive policies

So basically the definition of progress is anything a leftist says?
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