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if you're defending them, you are. and you're defending them.

your sheep costume needs to be a helluva lot better than that, btw.

no one would defend a liar unless they were ignorant, or also a liar, or had monetary gain involved with the liar's success.

you fall under the first option, all of your links fall under the other two.

You're pulling off a No True Scotsman argument here, so be careful. The "with us or against us" mentality never gave way to productive dialogue.

No one is truly defending Fox News here, Xayd. What people are saying is that all sources are biased in some manner. Many outside analysts have even found NYTimes to have a liberal edge on most of their issues. That doesn't mean NYTimes is bad, but it's important to know that no major news source is a fountain of objective truth.
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they are better. they provide verifiable sources. faux news uses itself as a source.



Um no, NYT has been caught over and over Plagiarizing and fabricating stories though.

They are charter members of the Dan Rather School of Journalistic Integrity.
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This is what you're defending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cit-XeYs9dw

I'm not sure can that even be called biased.
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Oddly enough aswell, this thread has a "lol media matters" posted into it. Whenever fox news is posted, the same people go on a "lol well all news sources are inherently biased and it can't be helped, gosh you're so naοve"


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Yea, because the NYT/Newsweek would never lie about anything.

They're no better, that is all I'm saying.

Yes, Yes for fucks sake they are. Do they have a slant, yes. do they get shit wrong, yes.

do they make it their business model to push a preconceived corporate agenda day after fucking day, every fucking day, no matter how detached from reality they are? FUCK NO.

That's the difference.
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and what then if you believe that MSNBC is the pinnacle of journalistic integrity?

MSNBC is a million times better than fox as far as content and getting stories correct.

PBS is even better but since they don't make editorial speeches and funny faces and cry a lot while reporting the news, no one watches them.
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Um no, NYT has been caught over and over Plagiarizing and fabricating stories though.

They are charter members of the Dan Rather School of Journalistic Integrity.

The NYT never fought and won a court case over their right to outright lie to the public under freedom of speech and still call themselves a news organization.

Fox has.
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Um no, NYT has been caught over and over Plagiarizing and fabricating stories though.

They are charter members of the Dan Rather School of Journalistic Integrity.

Dan Rather got ONE story wrong in his entire career and it ended his career because of who it offended.

Liberal media? hahahahaha say, where was obama born again?

that's right, report on bush's draft dodging desertion and you are a fucking asshole who loses your job.

go on faux news and call the first mixed race president a racist and question his birth place, increase your ratings.

LIEBERAL MEDIA!

LIEBERAL MEDIA!

it's just too damn bad the lieberal media is wholly owned by huge corporations.
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Yes, Yes for fucks sake they are. Do they have a slant, yes. do they get shit wrong, yes.

do they make it their business model to push a preconceived corporate agenda day after fucking day, every fucking day, no matter how detached from reality they are? FUCK NO.

That's the difference.

and just what is this "corporate agenda"?
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....Liberal media?


LIEBERAL MEDIA!



LIEBERAL MEDIA!
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why, yes, yes it is.......

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Opinion: Media need to better understand claims of bias

In a world where almost nothing stays the same, something did this week: The public still doesn't trust the news media.

In truth, even this story changed slightly: The level of trust is at a new low, with 63 percent of respondents to the Pew Research Center saying that news articles often are inaccurate.

One element of the criticism caught my attention. "Self-described Republicans continued to take the dimmest view of news organizations, but discontent among Democrats was catching up," The New York Times summarized.

When I was executive editor of the Mercury News, I tended to dismiss the many conservative allegations of bias as just so much poppycock. After all, didn't other readers accuse us of right-wing bias? (Yes, but not very many.)

I still see many of the complaints on both sides — especially those that are anonymous, or lack detail, or offend my editor mentality by mixing up "its" and "it's" — as ridiculous generalizations. But the mere quantity of complaints about bias toward the left, and the reasoned arguments that occasionally show up, now concern me.

Shouldn't journalists at least briefly suspend disbelief when scrutinizing critical e-mail from readers or the ubiquitous reader comments appended to stories? After all, part of the beauty of the Internet was the ability of readers to communicate with journalists.

When Mike Cassidy wrote in the Mercury News on Sunday about the problems of this paper and the rest of the newspaper industry, dozens of readers blamed left-wing bias. As one of my university colleagues — a liberal — said this week, "These people think no one listens to them."

In fact, most of us haven't even asked conservative critics exactly what bothers them. Do we even know what readers mean by "bias"? Are they talking about headlines? Or the decisions we make about what to cover and what to ignore? Or whether we use loaded words?

Cynics would say that simply listening to conservative critics is a sham because we journalists won't change. I disagree. The record is clear that news organizations change, albeit sometimes slowly, when editors listen to reasoned new voices from the community or the newsroom.

I still remember, 15 or more years later, my shock when a Middle East activist flipped through pages of the Mercury News and pointed out sloppily worded headlines about Arabs. "You wouldn't use those words if the story were about Israel," he said. I hated to admit that he was right — and the Mercury News changed that day.

That issue wasn't a liberal or conservative one. But numerous studies have shown that most journalists are liberals. A Pew study last year found that only 8 percent of national journalists and 14 percent of local journalists consider themselves conservatives, versus 36 percent of the population. Ask around any newsroom, and no one would be surprised.

What did surprise me was an msnbc.com report, based on Federal Election Commission records, that found 143 journalists had donated to political causes from 2004 through the first quarter of 2007. Of those, 125 had donated to Democrats and liberal causes, 16 to Republicans, and two to both parties.

I'm a hard-liner: Journalists shouldn't give to political campaigns. Others take an even harder line: Len Downie, former executive editor of The Washington Post, didn't vote because he wanted to preserve his objectivity.

I know that journalists hold opinions, and I hope that they vote. Does that mean that journalists can't cover issues objectively? Of course not. But, as our industry comes under more pressure, it does mean that it's way past time to listen to our critics — and, as my sixth-grade teacher used to say, to listen actively.


Jerry Ceppos, former executive editor of the Mercury News, worked at the paper for 18 years. He is dean of the Reynolds School of Journalism at the University of Nevada, Reno. He wrote this article for the Mercury News.
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Dan Rather got ONE story wrong in his entire career and it ended his career because of who it offended.

Liberal media? hahahahaha say, where was obama born again?

that's right, report on bush's draft dodging desertion and you are a fucking asshole who loses your job.

go on faux news and call the first mixed race president a racist and question his birth place, increase your ratings.

LIEBERAL MEDIA!

LIEBERAL MEDIA!

it's just too damn bad the lieberal media is wholly owned by huge corporations.

Dan Rather has been dragged into court a dozen times for the same thing. For creating false stories that were Fake but True. He just thought that his ability to get away with it was full bore protection and so he tried it with a president and got stomped by BLOGGERS.


Try not to be a complete shitstain like spayed and dumbho.

If you actually think that King Dan didn't know he was using complete forgeries to base his "story" on you are a moron.
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and just what is this "corporate agenda"?

lower taxes, government is bad, business is good, liberals are the enemy, tax cuts generate jobs and universal wealth, regulation kills jobs and makes people poor, be afraid of dark skinned people (they are taking over your country), and everything obama does is wrong.

how/why do you think glenn beck stays on the air with no real advertisers? because it's not about making money like a real business. they do enough of that elsewhere. it's about pushing the message. no one cares if glenn beck's show generates money except maybe glenn beck. he is on the air to plant ideas in peoples heads. just like fox news.

and it's not the liberals they are even playing. they don't craft their stories to push our buttons. they craft their stories to push conservatives buttons. to manufacture outrage and plant misinformation. liberals are just infuriated by the fact that so many people still believe fox news and fall for their buIIshit. its conservatives that they have wrapped around their little fingers. they know all the right issues to press, all the right code words to use. and they know that if they spin a story right they can bypass your logic center and get straight into your emotions where you are less likely to rationally scrutinize or verify information.

fox knows how to play conservative white people like a fucking violin.

and it's not just fox. conservative corporate media owns pretty much all of talk radio too. and with that and their web sites and astroturf groups they can pretty much fabricate and circulate any story they want to tell and the echo chamber will eagerly gobble it up and spread it around.

and all that liberal media? yeah, they are all corporately owned mouth pieces as well. they generally aren't interested in informing you either. they want to get ratings and make money. there is no liberal media. there is the corporate media and the right wing corporate media. one just wants to sell you stuff, the other just wants to get you to vote republican and believe that lower taxes are good for poor people because if you raise taxes then our benevolent plutocrat overlords will take away all the jobs.

that's why under 8 years of GWB with some of the lowest tax rates and some of the laxest regulation in history we created a grand total of 3 million jobs and suffered one of the greatest depressions in a century and under that evil socialist Bill Clinton we suffered with 23 million new jobs, record profits, and balanced budgets.

but I'm getting off on a rant here...
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Dan Rather has been dragged into court a dozen times for the same thing. For creating false stories that were Fake but True. He just thought that his ability to get away with it was full bore protection and so he tried it with a president and got stomped by BLOGGERS.


Try not to be a complete shitstain like spayed and dumbho.

If you actually think that King Dan didn't know he was using complete forgeries to base his "story" on you are a moron.

cointelpro.

I bet the same people who "debunked" the documents thereby deflating the underlying story which was true, were the same people who provided the bunk documents.

but I guess I'm just a little jaded about that period in time because I watched a guy who dodged the draft and then deserted his champagne squad become a war hero and the guy who actually fired a gun in a war zone become a coward traitor. at least in the leading public narratives...

but once we got rid of dan rather, then everything was great.
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yes, your link to an editorial that doesn't exist anymore totally proves that the media is totally liberal.

just remember all those liberal news anchors on those networks clamoring for universal health care last year, and higher taxes on the wealthy (which they all are), and higher wages for working families, how they champion unions, and equal rights for all, etc etc.

remember how the liberal media stood up to bush and his plans to invade iraq before we went in? remember them providing real in depth coverage of things we needed to know? remember them asking real questions about pretty much anything?

yeah, they don't do that anymore. not since the OJ trial where all they showed 24/7/365 for a year straight was the OJ trial and the media realized that retarded celebrity buIIshit got them better ratings than all that hard journalism crap.

so yeah. my best advice is to go read something. don't get your news from the TV.
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Dan Rather has been dragged into court a dozen times for the same thing. For creating false stories that were Fake but True. He just thought that his ability to get away with it was full bore protection and so he tried it with a president and got stomped by BLOGGERS.


Try not to be a complete shitstain like spayed and dumbho.

If you actually think that King Dan didn't know he was using complete forgeries to base his "story" on you are a moron.

This post was made by the guy who felt it was necessary to post a black panther video in this thread.


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