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Is there racism in the tea party, or is there tea party in the racism?
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:30 PM Frock is offline  
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You can call it what you want, but it is what it is. When you say you like "asian girls" based on racial characteristics alone, yes, you are selecting with only race in mind. Nevermind personality, interests, or anything else that goes in to liking someone. Why did this example sound so appealing to you? Do you beat off to a lot of asian porn or something? Saying you like people based on what race they are is racist, or "natural bias" lol wow. You just don't want to use the word, because it sounds bad and it would make you think about your attitudes I would wager.

If I said I like white people, how would that sound? Or I only like white girls? Sounds a little dumb doesn't it? Leaves a little bit of stuff out I would say.

I'm not sexually attracted to men, does that make me a sexist?

Most people can't really control what they find attractive. If you refused to date someone you actually found attractive because they were black (etc), you'd be a racist. If you just don't find most black women attractive, that really have nothing to do with racism.
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I'm not sexually attracted to men, does that make me a sexist?

Most people can't really control what they find attractive. If you refused to date someone you actually found attractive because they were black (etc), you'd be a racist. If you just don't find most black women attractive, that really have nothing to do with racism.

Have you met every man? Do you know you are attracted to none of them? Joking aside, you can call it whatever you want, I'm not going to mince words here, it is what it is. What if you see a really good looking woman, and later come to find out she actually had a dick? You've probably been attracted to men through real life or porn without even knowing it. Are you attracted to women as in actually having a pussy, specifically, or just the appearance of having a pussy? Looks like its not so cut and dry.


When we look around and see people, they are each totally different. No one has the exact same nose as another person, no one has the exact same skin color as another person, and no one has the same hair as another person. Saying you are attracted to "asian women" can be used in general conversation because we all basically understand that what you mean is that you are attracted to "hot" asian women. Well, maybe we still don't understand just exactly what that means, basically we just use that idea and trust that other people have the same one as ours.

You can't see a race, its an idea. Its not even a hidden dick, its just not there at all. You see people. Even "people" is an idea, but what I mean are the actual real-world things we see hear feel touch and smell. There is endless, infinite, variety. If no two snowflakes are the same, then how could we ever think two people are, or that there are races of these people?

"Most people can't really control what they find attractive. If you refused to date someone you actually found attractive because they were black (etc), you'd be a racist. If you just don't find most black women attractive, that really have nothing to do with racism."

When you meet someone is looks the only thing you use to gauge attractiveness? What about how they talk, or how they carry themselves, or what music they're listening to? Do you use no other cues than what they look like? I just don't see the grounds for talking about being attracted to people as in groups or races at all. Saying "I'm not attracted to x women" just seems, contrived, doesn't it?
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Have you met every man? Do you know you are attracted to none of them? Joking aside, you can call it whatever you want, I'm not going to mince words here, it is what it is. What if you see a really good looking woman, and later come to find out she actually had a dick? You've probably been attracted to men through real life or porn without even knowing it. Are you attracted to women as in actually having a pussy, specifically, or just the appearance of having a pussy? Looks like its not so cut and dry.


When we look around and see people, they are each totally different. No one has the exact same nose as another person, no one has the exact same skin color as another person, and no one has the same hair as another person. Saying you are attracted to "asian women" can be used in general conversation because we all basically understand that what you mean is that you are attracted to "hot" asian women. Well, maybe we still don't understand just exactly what that means, basically we just use that idea and trust that other people have the same one as ours.

You can't see a race, its an idea. Its not even a hidden dick, its just not there at all. You see people. Even "people" is an idea, but what I mean are the actual real-world things we see hear feel touch and smell. There is endless, infinite, variety. If no two snowflakes are the same, then how could we ever think two people are, or that there are races of these people?

"Most people can't really control what they find attractive. If you refused to date someone you actually found attractive because they were black (etc), you'd be a racist. If you just don't find most black women attractive, that really have nothing to do with racism."

When you meet someone is looks the only thing you use to gauge attractiveness? What about how they talk, or how they carry themselves, or what music they're listening to? Do you use no other cues than what they look like? I just don't see the grounds for talking about being attracted to people as in groups or races at all. Saying "I'm not attracted to x women" just seems, contrived, doesn't it?
You come across as someone who is mixed race yourself, and it's understandable that you hate that society forces you to identify with one or the other but doesn't really accept neutral. Having said that, I don't think a white man finding a black woman attractive but not wanting to date her is racist in and of itself...he may just be smart enough to know that it would simply be too difficult for both of them. You have white people who don't like whites dating blacks, and blacks who don't like blacks dating whites...even if you both don't care what others think, it still creates a strain on the relationship that otherwise wouldn't be there. Not to mention the challenges that arise if you decide to bring kids into the world together. Even if you choose to not see "race" that doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong for doing so, but actually having hate for someone simply based on their skin color/culture is what most of the world would call "racist".
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Nah, you see race, but it may become irrelevant when you get to know a person.

Nah, you might see race. Where is it? Where's the label?

Just because you have strong beliefs does not mean you are right.
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You come across as someone who is mixed race yourself, and it's understandable that you hate that society forces you to identify with one or the other but doesn't really accept neutral. Having said that, I don't think a white man finding a black woman attractive but not wanting to date her is racist in and of itself...he may just be smart enough to know that it would simply be too difficult for both of them. You have white people who don't like whites dating blacks, and blacks who don't like blacks dating whites...even if you both don't care what others think, it still creates a strain on the relationship that otherwise wouldn't be there. Not to mention the challenges that arise if you decide to bring kids into the world together. Even if you choose to not see "race" that doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong for doing so, but actually having hate for someone simply based on their skin color/culture is what most of the world would call "racist".

Again, there's just no such thing as a real group of people called "black women" There are only individual women who have any of a range of skin colors and facial features which we commonly group together, in our minds, as "black women"

I'm not mixed race, I have no race. I am what I am. I don't believe in race, so no, I don't self identify as a mix of them. Most people would call me white. There's a big difference between being commonly known as something (as in, a race) and actually being something (which you are, without words or ideas)

I do think you're mincing words when it comes to defining racism. Racist thinking can be positive or negative, as its just thinking that involves race. As long as that kind of thinking exists, there is always the possibility that it can turn negative, even if its positive now. That's why I don't think about race, its merely an appearance added on to what we see that gives us preconceptions about people. I don't think about it one way or the other, and I get along just fine. Racial thinking isn't bad, or immoral, but it is what it is. As long as we judge people based on things other than what they themselves do, there will be dangers when it comes to treating people right.
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". Even if you choose to not see "race" that doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong for doing so"

I don't choose not to see race. I see what I see with my own two eyes. I choose not to perceive race.

I don't think anyone on this earth is wrong. It is what it is.
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While there is only one actual race (the human species itself) there definitely are different ethnicities created by geographic boundaries over the course of human evolution. To not be conscious of the differences between someone who's ancestry trails from contemporary germany v contemporary india is a bit silly.
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there is nothing wrong with being proud of your race. this whole "race doesn't exist" this is BS.
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there is nothing wrong with being proud of your race. this whole "race doesn't exist" this is BS.
Race exists as cosmetic variations of the same species...but don't you think it's kind of silly to be proud of something that you didn't choose and have no control over? Same with "gay pride"...unless it really is a choice.
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there is nothing wrong with being proud of your race.....

as long as you're not white...........
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While there is only one actual race (the human species itself) there definitely are different ethnicities created by geographic boundaries over the course of human evolution. To not be conscious of the differences between someone who's ancestry trails from contemporary germany v contemporary india is a bit silly.

I would say that labeling them as an "indian person" doesn't do much to paying attention to anything relevant about the differences in culture and appearance. Those things are in the real world, and can be paid attention to without racial thinking. Even better so, I would argue.
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