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Personally I think more liberals need to stand up and speak out because the party of no is fucking retarded. I applaud anthony weiner for standing up and providing the appopriate amount of outrage over the fucking ridiculousness of us STILL NOT PROVIDING HEALTH CARE FOR OUR DEAR 9/11 HEROES.

The same ones that fucking republicans couldn't use enough for political gain and speeches but apparently really didn't give a flying fuck about because they still can't get fucking health care a fucking decade later.

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If you think liberal is a bad word and that makes you afraid to speak your mind then you are as spineless and useless as the fucking limp wristed, sackless democrats in congress and the whitehouse.
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Sorry that it wasn't ultra-communist enough for you, but Al Frankin created it specifically to engineer a left-wing alternative to right-wing talk radio. If Air America isn't left-wing enough for you, than it's time for you to defect to Cuba.

Al Franken is pro war, pro capitalism, and pro Israel, I'm not interested in liberal or pseudo leftist talk radio. Nice love it or leave it offer there though Tex.
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Al Franken is pro war, pro capitalism, and pro Israel, I'm not interested in liberal or pseudo leftist talk radio. Nice love it or leave it offer there though Tex.

Air America didn't begin and end with Al Franken alone.

What I mean with the "love it or leave it offer" is if you can't achieve you Communist ideals in the United States, than perhaps it's time for you to consider moving somewhere that's more reflective of your viewpoints. If Air America was not left-wing enough for you, than obviously nothing is by American standards, and you should probably consider looking toward a place that is more to your liking for the sake of your own sanity. Your claim that there is no source of left wing media in the United States is not even close to accurate.
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Al Franken is pro war, pro capitalism, and pro Israel, I'm not interested in liberal or pseudo leftist talk radio. Nice love it or leave it offer there though Tex.

You have to be "anti-capitalist" to be a leftist in your world?

Anti-corporate I can see...anti-capitalism is pretty far into fruit bat territory.
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Air America didn't begin and end with Al Franken alone.

What I mean with the "love it or leave it offer" is if you can't achieve you Communist ideals in the United States, than perhaps it's time for you to consider moving somewhere that's more reflective of your viewpoints. If Air America was not left-wing enough for you, than obviously nothing is by American standards, and you should probably consider looking toward a place that is more to your liking for the sake of your own sanity. Your claim that there is no source of left wing media in the United States is not even close to accurate.
It's clear what you meant. It's pretty stupid to expect someone to give up their job, family, and friends to move to isolated "socialist" states where they don't even speak they language and wouldn't accomplish anything.
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You have to be "anti-capitalist" to be a leftist in your world?

Anti-corporate I can see...anti-capitalism is pretty far into fruit bat territory.
If you're not anti capitalist then you're embracing a system that is not only the cause of many of the problems liberals claim to want to fix but that is also ultimately doomed. Sure does sound crazy huh?
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If you're not anti capitalist then you're embracing a system that is not only the cause of many of the problems liberals claim to want to fix but that is also ultimately doomed. Sure does sound crazy huh?

Are you honestly advocating Communism or do you just fail to make any distinction between degrees of socialism and capitalism?
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Are you honestly advocating Communism or do you just fail to make any distinction between degrees of socialism and capitalism?
Socialism doesn't exist in any modern government so there's no need to make a distinction. State capitalism and the welfare state are what most people refer to as "socialist" states (with a "real" socialist state being one in which the workers control the means of production). You can make a distinction between that and "pure" capitalism but it's still just putting band aids on the original problem and the end result is going to be the same i.e. in the US global capitalism destroys manufacturing jobs in the US leading to the collapse of the middle class and a new class hierarchy. The US welfare state isn't going to solve that problem or Obamas capital injections.
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Are you honestly advocating Communism or do you just fail to make any distinction between degrees of socialism and capitalism?
he's made it clear that anything short of "Vive la revolucion!!!!1" and storming capitol hill isn't really being on the "left".
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Socialism doesn't exist in any modern government so there's no need to make a distinction. State capitalism and the welfare state are what most people refer to as "socialist" states (with a "real" socialist state being one in which the workers control the means of production). You can make a distinction between that and "pure" capitalism but it's still just putting band aids on the original problem and the end result is going to be the same i.e. in the US global capitalism destroys manufacturing jobs in the US leading to the collapse of the middle class and a new class hierarchy. The US welfare state isn't going to solve that problem or Obamas capital injections.
In your eyes, what country has the ideal form of government/economic structure that all other countries should aspire to?
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Socialism doesn't exist in any modern government so there's no need to make a distinction. State capitalism and the welfare state are what most people refer to as "socialist" states (with a "real" socialist state being one in which the workers control the means of production). You can make a distinction between that and "pure" capitalism but it's still just putting band aids on the original problem and the end result is going to be the same i.e. in the US global capitalism destroys manufacturing jobs in the US leading to the collapse of the middle class and a new class hierarchy. The US welfare state isn't going to solve that problem or Obamas capital injections.

We use "right" and "left" to describe relative position on the political spectrum. Your definition would put 99.999999% of people (and especially politicians) into the "extreme right" category, making it essentially useless as a relative description. Maybe that's where you think the world needs to go, but doesn't really make much sense as a political metric.

Or you put continue to place ideology over meaningful dialog, but that's fruit bat crazy territory and you're not going to accomplish a whole lot doing so.
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In your eyes, what country has the ideal form of government/economic structure that all other countries should aspire to?

such a country doesn't exist
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We use "right" and "left" to describe relative position on the political spectrum. Your definition would put 99.999999% of people (and especially politicians) into the "extreme right" category, making it essentially useless as a relative description. Maybe that's where you think the world needs to go, but doesn't really make much sense as a political metric.

Or you put continue to place ideology over meaningful dialog, but that's fruit bat crazy territory and you're not going to accomplish a whole lot doing so.
To what end would using the rhetoric of the mainstream, which already biases you towards a certain viewpoint the moment you accept it as legitimate and/or necessary, serve me? Framing things in terms of the traditional American political spectrum only serves the right because the media/society have already established that the only legitimate choices are "liberal" or "conservative". If you focus simply on the possible solutions to problems without invoking the rightist framework then the even the American population tends to be much more "left" than is otherwise thought (for instance UHC was very popular as a solution to the US healthcare crisis for decades until it became of major contention in the media and support for it dropped significantly once it became a part of the mainstream political framework).

You can have meaningful dialog with people even if you believe they're right wing, it all depends on how you frame the discussion. In any case none of that changes whether or not the analysis of the American politics as right wing (albeit with gradations in how far right) is correct.
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Personally I think more liberals need to stand up and speak out because the party of no is fucking retarded. I applaud anthony weiner for standing up and providing the appopriate amount of outrage over the fucking ridiculousness of us STILL NOT PROVIDING HEALTH CARE FOR OUR DEAR 9/11 HEROES.

The same ones that fucking republicans couldn't use enough for political gain and speeches but apparently really didn't give a flying fuck about because they still can't get fucking health care a fucking decade later.

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If you think liberal is a bad word and that makes you afraid to speak your mind then you are as spineless and useless as the fucking limp wristed, sackless democrats in congress and the whitehouse.


My understanding of this issue is that they had the votes to pass it but the D leadership in the house decided they wanted a supermajority vote for it instead.

I am pretty sure it could still pass with a simple majority, which is all that is required.

Pass the law with the required votes, don't play political games with it.
And Weiner is a bit misleading in his tirade. There are significant differences in the progress of a law when it's passed with a simple versus super majority; so it isn't as black-and-white as he implies.
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It's clear what you meant. It's pretty stupid to expect someone to give up their job, family, and friends to move to isolated "socialist" states where they don't even speak they language and wouldn't accomplish anything.

However, you can do better (in your view) than the United States but choose not to.

It's good to see you have a job though, in spite of the fact supporting corporate America like that pisses all over your principles. It would be great if the government had complete control of the economy and just delegated duties with equal pay for everyone, wouldn't it?
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