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so you've been wrong about pretty much everything since the beginning of the thread. factually anyway.

not at all. if you think copy pasting the wiki article has proven you right on anything you've said, you have my deepest sympathies
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not at all. if you think copy pasting the wiki article has proven you right on anything you've said, you have my deepest sympathies

you're not only retarded but also quite ignorant on wikipedia's editing policies, and for some reason consider it to be a untrustworthy source.

in any case my wikipedia citations easily trump you pulling shit out of your ass.
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no I don't consider it an untrustworthy source, but you obviously haven't gone any deeper into the cited sources than the snippets in the article
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you would be wasting your time. because all religions are full of fucktards. you're the one trying to say that one shortbus is shorter than the other one. the fact is christians are just as crazy as muslims are.

I must've been absent the day they covered the dozens of oppressive Christian regimes in the modern world in current events.
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Wow..you're making a shitload of assumptions about Tom with every post you make.

This is you:
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I like how semperfag ignores the question of where the money to build this shit is coming from.
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I must've been absent the day they covered the dozens of oppressive Christian regimes in the modern world in current events.

Good thing you were present the day when they covered the part where building a mosque has a deeper significant meaning that directly relates to oppressive regimes in the modern world in current events
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you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would argue that the KKK building a banquet hall across the street from the southern poverty law center would be a tactful move, i don't really see how anyone can think that muslims attempting to build a large mosque so close to ground zero is not at the very least provocative.



I stopped reading what you took seriously about 20 posts above.....

......but this..... just takes the cake

This idiot compared the KKK (an organization of pure hate) to masses of people who HATE hate organizations like Al Qaida, Taliban etc.

The 1.5 Billion muslims living in the world promote peace and tolerance. It's only the actions of a few isloated fundamentalists, that the media LOVES taking about, (and it's mostly the media's fault here) that have given Islam a bad name.

If this was about 1000 years ago the Crusaders would be the eqvialent of modern day Al Qaeda.
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i'm not comparing the entirety of islam to the KKK, but the undertone exists, pursuing this so aggressively without any regard to the opinions of others is not going to earn them any friends. proposing the name to be cordoba house, regardless of what they claim its meant to represent, is not going to earn them any friends. giving a big fuck you to anyone who eveny remotely suggests that they're being a little rash in doing this is not going to earn them any friends.

they would have been better off building another twenty mosques up and down manhattan under the radar than doing this. all this will do is continue to tarnish the image that islam has to a great deal many westerners. i as a muslim would not want to this, and would consider it counter productive. the massive disregard they have for the sentiments of their fellow citizens in a country that they're claiming to to try to assimilate into does not paint them in a very positive light.

The undertones don't exist you idiot.

Islam =! hate
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"I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
as the imam of the place is going full blown retard.

Redrum, I don't know you but did you ever graduate HS?

Look at the US's image wordwide right now. You don't think the majoirty of the word hates us, and thinks "ya, those guys did deserve to have their towers taken down, all they do is cause war".

It's America's foreign policy that 99% of the rest of the world (besides Israel of course) hates, which is exactly what the Imam was pointing out.
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fuck you very much, noone deserves an unmeditated attack against thousands of innocent civilians.

You have a problem with a government, take your problem to that government, dont attack those who cant defend themselves.

Nothing he said was WRONG.

lol, seriously, why the fuck do the majority of Americans who bring up what the Imam said have a hard time grasping this concept? Let me put in more easier terms for you.

"I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened"

He is saying the US did NOT deserve what happened.

"But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

If you piss off the wrong type of people enough times they will RETALIATE, whether or not it is right or wrong isn't the question. The point is that when you fuck with other people they will do whatever they can to fuck with you back. That is what he meant by his 2nd statement.

And one more time just incase the dumb masses don't get what he meant. "HE WAS NOT CONDONING THE ACT OF TERROISM"
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Not to totally derail this lovely threads subject, but I would be curious as to the start of all this commotion about an Islamic cultural center two blocks away from ground zero.


Just from going through google news I was able to find out the first group to be outraged was some group called SIOA. (Stop Islamization of America) This started around may 14th, shortly after the center was approved.
*proof of date at bottom of page*


Also an interesting article here about one of the leaders of SIOA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_689709.html
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Some even suggest that Geller deserves credit -- or blame -- for turning a local zoning decision about whether to build an Islamic cultural center and mosque blocks from Ground Zero into a national political spectacle.

"She's been instrumental," said Eric Boehlert, a senior fellow at Media Matters for America, a liberal watchdog group. "She has whipped up hatred in the right-wing blogosphere and now that's spilled out into the wider community."

Also this gem about SIOA and how it was formed and its parent group SIOE
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/07/sio...im-hate-group/

Their motto and I shit you not..
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“Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense.”

So whatever your views on this whole debate, do consider the source of all this commotion is a group of straight up hating bigots.
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My point is they're cut from the same cloth. Beck could have written it in a style that would give Shakespere a boner, and I guarantee all you'd say is "lol, Glenn Beck" anyway.

thats because he is a retarded fearmongering bigot, it wouldn't matter if he had the best prose in the existence of mankind, he is still retarded (and more importantly) his arguments/points are all retarded.

This is not to say that Olberman is some super-intellectual, but he atleast has _some_ cogent arguments.

Beck is just fear, random scribbling, crying and conspiracy theories.
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I must've been absent the day they covered the dozens of oppressive Christian regimes in the modern world in current events.

On the September 12 broadcast of the Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club, host Rev. Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former Republican presidential candidate, linked Hurricane Katrina and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion:

A viewer wrote in to ask Pat Robertson a question Why [do] evangelical Christians tell non-Christians that Jesus (God) is the only way to Heaven? Those who are Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, etc. already know and have a relationship with God. Why is this? It seems disrespectful. Robertson replied that it is not all disrespectful because all other religions really just worship “demonic powers.”

Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Pat Robertson agreed with Jerry Falwell that God allowed the attacks to occur because of America's moral decay. After Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans in 2005, he suggested God was angry over abortion. That year, he also called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. In 2006 Robertson claimed that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had a stroke because he tried to make peace with the Palestinians. And Robertson once said that gay marriage would lead to child molestation.

Discussing the battle against a Muslim warlord in Somalia, Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence told another audience, "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." "We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," Boykin said last year. On at least one occasion, in Sandy, Ore., in June, Boykin said of President Bush: "He's in the White House because God put him there."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/21/c_street

The Family began 74 years ago as an anti-New Deal coalition of businessmen convinced that organized labor was under the sway of Satan. The Great Depression, they believed, was a punishment from God for what they viewed as FDR's socialism. The Family's goal was the "consecration" of America to God, first through the repeal of New Deal reforms, then through the aggressive expansion of American power during the Cold War. They called this a "Worldwide Spiritual Offensive," but in Washington, it amounted to the nation's first fundamentalist lobby. Early participants included Southern Sens. Strom Thurmond, Herman Talmadge and Absalom Willis Robertson -- Pat Robertson's father. Membership lists stored in the Family's archive at the Billy Graham Center at evangelical Wheaton College in Illinois show active participation at any given time over the years by dozens of congressmen.



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If this was about 1000 years ago the Crusaders would be the eqvialent of modern day Al Qaeda.

crusaders were simply responding to islamic agression against byzantium, if you want to argue al quaeda is simply responding to american aggression in the middle east that's fine too i guess

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=! != !=, idiot

and i'd disagree, islam fosters a great deal of hate for non believers in its holy texts.
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