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I'm not saying it's a justified argument but our foreign policy is still a factor. Just because a cop is explaining a murderer's motive for his crime doesn't mean he's saying the victim deserved it.
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No, I don't have durka friends. I don't give a fuck about the plight of the hajji or any other fuckdongle imaginary friend . I think all religions are equally stupid.

But the idiocy coming from the opposition is obscene.

I was born in the south?
I thought you were from Florida or Georgia...maybe I have you confused with someone else. I do remember Flynavy though...is that still you?
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yeah, born in south florida


so...cuba ^_^
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yeah, born in south florida


so...cuba ^_^
I thought there was a little "Viva la revolucion" in your tone lately.
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Yes, they should cancel the whole thing and build their mosques underground and on the countryside. Afterall, they're muslims and they should understand that there's a certain stigma attached to it these days, and they should be extra sensitive when it comes to these things.



We wouldn't want white christian bigots to get offended now would we?
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what do you guys think?

discounting islam's long history of building large victory mosques in lands they consider to be militarily conquered, i feel that if that if the builders had any shred of sympathy or understanding of the sentiment of the american public (which they claim they do) they'd back off. islam receives enough negative attention in western media as is (whether or not this is deserved is an entirely different discussion) and is in serious need of a good PR team. pursuing the right to build this mosque is so lacking in tact and common sense it's really suprising to me how that they're still pushing for it. how the imams and financiers behind this thing don't see how it can be perceived as insulting and antagonistic is beyond me.

sure they have every legal right to build it, and attempting to stop them through legal channels would ultimately lead to bad precedent. i'm just saying, don't they realize it would help them a lot more to back off on it in the long run? muslims already have a horrendous image amongst most westerners as is, this will only go on to foster even more extremes of anti islamic sentiment.

never mind the fact that i personally don't think mosques, churches, temples, or scientology centers should be built anywhere in the civilized world period.

*spends a year or two on anti-islamic trolling, reads stormfront for islam interpretation*

"why won't they think of my precious feelings"

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*spends a year or two on anti-islamic trolling, reads stormfront for islam interpretation*

"why won't they think of my precious feelings"


have you actually read the koran?

makes the old testament look like a coloring book.

and if you actually ever troll'd stormfront, you'd know they have a hardon for all things islam because they stick it to them thar jews

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have you actually read the koran?

makes the old testament look like a coloring book.
That's not true and I don't know which book you haven't read from the bunch, and I don't care either as it's pretty irrelevant. You look like a stupid fuck either way
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and if you actually ever troll'd stormfront, you'd know they have a hardon for all things islam because they stick it to them thar jews



Yes, the nationalistic loonbats are very sympathetic to the palestinian plight, I guess that makes them muslim apologists
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That's not true

yes it is. it's an ideology that if actually followed to the letter is a threat to western secularism, and unlike christianity that is waning and growing weaker by the day as a whole, islam is growing stronger and its followers more fanatical and radical...i really don't see why so many people go out of their way to make pretend "hurr durr it's like any other desert cult religion"...it's alien to the values most of our hold dear. which is all good and fine, but the fact that politics and islam are still so intertwined in muslim countries in this day and age could spell disaster.

imagine a billion mormons who all more or less literally believed everything in the book of mormon to be completely true and were willing to die for it...now add in tales of conquest, thievery, pillage and ware fare into the book of mormon and you'll have what islam is now.
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Its not a mosque, and its not being built at ground zero.
So STFU you ignorant fucking bigots.

Our sacred hole in the ground will remain an eyesore, don't worry.
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There's already a Muslim prayer center on Warren St, dozens of churches, a strip club 1 block from, and Century 21 (huge department store) right next to Ground Zero. I walk by the site all the time on the way to work and there's people peddling "souvenirs" at the site. I'd reckon to the majority of those who live or pass through the area on a regular basis it's nothing more than an inconvenient hole in the ground, not some sacred land.



Also, an excerpt from a Village Voice article published a week or two ago. It's just the online print version, but the in-paper version was 5-6 pages. http://www.villagevoice.com/content/...rsion/1975444/

"Actually, on the morning of September 11, the man accused of wanting to build a shrine to terrorism, a 37-year-old real estate developer from Brooklyn, was racing toward the scene of the attack. Sharif El-Gamal was having breakfast at a diner on the Upper East Side when he looked up from his eggs to see the second plane strike the towers on TV. "I thought I was watching a movie," he said. He began running downtown. "I ran through crowds of people running in the opposite direction. I wanted to see what happened to my city. I wanted to help."

He made it to Stuyvesant High School in Battery Park City, already a temporary aid center. He worked around-the-clock, giving food and water to firefighters. "I was so fucking angry about what they had done to my city," he said.
After two days, his eyes swelled up from the metallic-laced smoke pouring from the ruins. "I couldn't see," he said. "I had to go to the hospital."

Later, he began spending time downtown. He prayed at a local mosque in a commercial building on Warren Street. "I became a lot more aware of my identity," he said. "And I started seeing that who we were being portrayed as was not who we are." Talking with friends, he got the idea for a center that would offer a Muslim prayer space, as well as cultural and recreational facilities for the growing number of downtown residents, a place where any New Yorker could attend a lecture or swim a lap in a pool. His model, he said, was the Jewish Community Center on Amsterdam Avenue, where he was a member. "I was looking to establish a space where Muslims could contribute to Manhattan," he said.

He considered numerous sites, all within a rough six-block radius of the Warren Street mosque. A deal for a property on Broadway, across from City Hall, fell through, as did another on Chambers Street. "It was a long hunt," said El-Gamal. "Real estate is never easy." Last summer, he signed a contract to buy the old Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place, where he plans to erect his 13-story cultural center."


Dude grew up in Brooklyn and seems pretty upset about 9/11 happening, and the community center is his idea on how Muslims can come together to contribute to NYC, and perhaps the US at large. He also belongs to a Jewish Community Center, which I'd say is safe to say he isn't a Islamofascist since hating Jews is like a prerequisite.
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Redrum, I'm just wondering how many Muslims you know in real life, and how many of them have tried to kill you because they hate your freedom and way of life.
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yes it is. it's an ideology that if actually followed to the letter is a threat to western secularism, and unlike christianity that is waning and growing weaker by the day as a whole, islam is growing stronger and its followers more fanatical and radical...i really don't see why so many people go out of their way to make pretend "hurr durr it's like any other desert cult religion"...it's alien to the values most of our hold dear. which is all good and fine, but the fact that politics and islam are still so intertwined in muslim countries in this day and age could spell disaster.

imagine a billion mormons who all more or less literally believed everything in the book of mormon to be completely true and were willing to die for it...now add in tales of conquest, thievery, pillage and ware fare into the book of mormon and you'll have what islam is now.


I was kidding when I said you probably go to stormfront for islamic interpretation but mein gott, it appears to be spot on. That's very sad
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Redrum, I'm just wondering how many Muslims you know in real life, and how many of them have tried to kill you because they hate your freedom and way of life.

I've yet to meet a christian that has told me I'm going to hell or that they're better than me, however half of the people on this forum would have me believe that they're all like that.
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I've yet to meet a christian that has told me I'm going to hell or that they're better than me, however half of the people on this forum would have me believe that they're all like that.

The funny part is, it's pretty likely you haven't been told that by a muslim either, yet I don't recall seeing you post such similar things about them. You posting this seems to say little about christianity or islam, but more about you, but at least it wasn't something you haven't said before
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