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I've yet to meet a christian that has told me I'm going to hell or that they're better than me

then you haven't talked to many republican christians.

as for the new york mosque bit

a) it's a former burlington coat factory store. that is hardly holy ground

b) there's already a mosque about the same distance in the other direction

c) if you're arguing about this, you're ignorant and dumb, considering A and B
Old 08-22-2010, 10:19 AM Xayd is offline  
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then you haven't talked to many republican christians.



This is the answer I was expecting.

Maybe you haven't talked to enough muslims?
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you should watch Glenn Beck's response because it involves approximately 6 brain cells and an equal age of maturity to come up with his retort

'that's a lot of information....lol but no one watches his show lol let's point that out some more lol he's stupid"

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God I Glenn Beck

So what you're basically saying is Glenn Beck is completely different simply because you don't agree with his opinions, but agree with Olbermann's?
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There's already a Muslim prayer center on Warren St, dozens of churches, a strip club 1 block from, and Century 21 (huge department store) right next to Ground Zero. I walk by the site all the time on the way to work and there's people peddling "souvenirs" at the site. I'd reckon to the majority of those who live or pass through the area on a regular basis it's nothing more than an inconvenient hole in the ground, not some sacred land.



Also, an excerpt from a Village Voice article published a week or two ago. It's just the online print version, but the in-paper version was 5-6 pages. http://www.villagevoice.com/content/...rsion/1975444/

"Actually, on the morning of September 11, the man accused of wanting to build a shrine to terrorism, a 37-year-old real estate developer from Brooklyn, was racing toward the scene of the attack. Sharif El-Gamal was having breakfast at a diner on the Upper East Side when he looked up from his eggs to see the second plane strike the towers on TV. "I thought I was watching a movie," he said. He began running downtown. "I ran through crowds of people running in the opposite direction. I wanted to see what happened to my city. I wanted to help."

He made it to Stuyvesant High School in Battery Park City, already a temporary aid center. He worked around-the-clock, giving food and water to firefighters. "I was so fucking angry about what they had done to my city," he said.
After two days, his eyes swelled up from the metallic-laced smoke pouring from the ruins. "I couldn't see," he said. "I had to go to the hospital."

Later, he began spending time downtown. He prayed at a local mosque in a commercial building on Warren Street. "I became a lot more aware of my identity," he said. "And I started seeing that who we were being portrayed as was not who we are." Talking with friends, he got the idea for a center that would offer a Muslim prayer space, as well as cultural and recreational facilities for the growing number of downtown residents, a place where any New Yorker could attend a lecture or swim a lap in a pool. His model, he said, was the Jewish Community Center on Amsterdam Avenue, where he was a member. "I was looking to establish a space where Muslims could contribute to Manhattan," he said.

He considered numerous sites, all within a rough six-block radius of the Warren Street mosque. A deal for a property on Broadway, across from City Hall, fell through, as did another on Chambers Street. "It was a long hunt," said El-Gamal. "Real estate is never easy." Last summer, he signed a contract to buy the old Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place, where he plans to erect his 13-story cultural center."


Dude grew up in Brooklyn and seems pretty upset about 9/11 happening, and the community center is his idea on how Muslims can come together to contribute to NYC, and perhaps the US at large. He also belongs to a Jewish Community Center, which I'd say is safe to say he isn't a Islamofascist since hating Jews is like a prerequisite.


Thank you.

Now stop whining about this obvious retard-fear-mongering vote-harvesting machine and ponder something constructive instead.


And no redrum, it is NOT a mosque >.<
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and lol, ratings? Beck wishes he got simpsons rerun ratings.

Beck's ratings are stupidly high. As a matter of fact, he's the highest on his time slot when compared to all other news stations. He's got higher ratings than CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
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We wouldn't want white christian bigots to get offended now would we?

Because everyone in opposition to the mosque is automatically a white Christian bigot.

I guess it's easier to dismiss the other side as bigots so you don't have to, Lord forbid, engage in an intellectual discussion on the topic that might result in a compromise reached by both sides that can keep everyone happy. Afterall, the left always claims they're out to pacify the happiness of everyone, except apparently the 70% of people polled who oppose it.
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Because everyone in opposition to the mosque is automatically a white Christian bigot.

I guess it's easier to dismiss the other side as bigots so you don't have to, Lord forbid, engage in an intellectual discussion on the topic that might result in a compromise reached by both sides that can keep everyone happy. Afterall, the left always claims they're out to pacify the happiness of everyone, except apparently the 70% of people polled who oppose it.

it's not 70% and there's no need to find a compromise because the only reason to oppose this comes from an asinine and emotional association between terrorists and one and a half billion muslims
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I've yet to meet a christian that has told me I'm going to hell or that they're better than me, however half of the people on this forum would have me believe that they're all like that.

I haven't either, but I also haven't met a Muslim who's said it to me.
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Beck's ratings are stupidly high. As a matter of fact, he's the highest on his time slot when compared to all other news stations. He's got higher ratings than CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/

no one younger than 70 is watching news in those time slots. saying one turd stinks less than the others doesn't make it smell like roses.

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This is the answer I was expecting.

Maybe you haven't talked to enough muslims?

yours was the answer i was expecting. after you took the bait i could point out the obvious, making you look stupid.

pope says other non catholic denominations 'are not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."'

gg

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Redrum, I'm just wondering how many Muslims you know in real life, and how many of them have tried to kill you because they hate your freedom and way of life.

i probably have more muslims friends than everyone in this thread combined. none have personally told me i'm going to hell, not directly, but they certainly hinted at it. from the conversations i have with even the more liberal ones, i get the feeling that their beliefs are very deep seated and not open to compromise. every single time. the elderly muslim man who lives across the street from me says hi every time i see him, occasionally i wave to him with my left hand by mistake and i automatically see his expression change. got to remember to only wave with my right hand so as not to offend his idiotic superstitious beliefs...

they're okay people individually, but i don't trust them as a group or entity, and in light of all things i don't really see why i should.

the fact that mosque close by me wakes up with every friday at 6:00 am with its disgusting call to prayer moon speak is not helping matters either.
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So what you're basically saying is Glenn Beck is completely different simply because you don't agree with his opinions, but agree with Olbermann's?

If you actually watch that, all Beck does is say "lol you're dumb, no one is even listening to you, we're doing you a favor by playing this on our show" and doesn't attack the real argument that Olbermann put out.
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So the leader of one catholic denomination is intolerant of others?

I could post links to leaders of Muslim sects talking about how American babies deserve to be disemboweled, however I'm pretty sure I'd be wasting my time.
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i probably have more muslims friends than everyone in this thread combined.

sure you do

edit: shows how little you know, the left hand thing has nothing to do with superstitions
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I thought us Americans weren't supposed to be afraid of other religions. I thought us Americans were supposed to be the better people and do what's right.

The 'sacred ground' argument doesn't really hold up when nobody's protesting the stores and strip clubs we have across the street from the proposed mosque. The whole "forward operations base for extremists" argument is just pathetic when we already have muslims doing services/prayer in the pentagon a hundred feet or so from where a plane hit on 9/11.

This wasn't an issue (even on Fox FFS) until some right wing dingbat marked the mosque as some jab in the eye of Americans and turned what was nothing into some huge controversy.

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sure you do

edit: shows how little you know, the left hand thing has nothing to do with superstitions

it dates back to when they were still bedouins in the desert and the left hand was used to wipe and other hygienically related purposes, obviously it had an application in 7th century arabian peninsula, still clinging to it now is fucking stupid and worthless with the advent of toilet paper. it is thus a silly useless superstition.

god damn you're a huge fucking retard.

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