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So uh, anyone see those underwear that have some type of metallic powder in them that negates the effects of the body scans. How does that shit work.

edit:magnets, how do they work?!
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Old 12-02-2010, 06:34 PM cokezeroholic is offline  
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There you go again with that completely fallible logic, what you're doing is called a "Straw Man Argument," and it is a logical fallacy. The police not only apprehend a great deal of criminals, but their presence is a strong deterrent. The TSA has not apprehended a single terrorist (that I am aware of, if you know of any then I would love to hear about it) nor have they deterred any attempts. The previously mentioned door locks on the cockpit and the attitude shift of the passengers from docile hostages to potentially belligerent victims have done more to throw off terrorist plans than anything else.
How do you know that the TSA hasn't deterred any attempts? Surely it's making them be a little more creative, which is a deterred effect of a sort. I don't think it's justified, especially, for stupid shit like the liquids ban (which was never a serious threat in the first place), but the deterrent effect can't really be ruled out since it's basically proving a negative.
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So uh, anyone see those underwear that have some type of metallic powder in them that negates the effects of the body scans. How does that shit work.

edit:magnets, how do they work?!

Basically just blocks the millimeter wave radiation they use for the scan. It's like those lead shields they put over your junk when you get an x-ray. The millimeter waves will go through normal clothing and then reflected by your skin, and they assemble the image from that. The metallic powder makes the waves bounce off the underwear instead of your junk.
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How do you know that the TSA hasn't deterred any attempts? Surely it's making them be a little more creative, which is a deterred effect of a sort. I don't think it's justified, especially, for stupid shit like the liquids ban (which was never a serious threat in the first place), but the deterrent effect can't really be ruled out since it's basically proving a negative.




Point taken, and conceded.
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the deterrent effect can't really be ruled out since it's basically proving a negative.
The point of the concept is that non-falsifiable claims are inadmissible ... not that they're true because "you can't rule them out."



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Do you believe anyone you know would have the slightest trouble coming up with 100 ways to cause mass panic between now and breakfast?
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The point of the concept is that non-falsifiable claims are inadmissible ... not that they're true because "you can't rule them out."



Do you believe anyone you know would have the slightest trouble coming up with 100 ways to cause mass panic between now and breakfast?

one durka could blow himself up in the security line at ohare/dulles/lax/sfo/hartsfield/etc during a busy flight time - killing more people than he would in a single plane - and we'll see security lines just to get into the airport
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Blow up security lines

Brilliant!



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TSA searches my laptop on every flight I take, whether international (legal search - though I still disagree) or domestic (illegal search).

The last flight I took, I had my laptop powered off. When I got my bags, my laptop was in a suspended state. WTF TSA STOP ILLEGALLY SEARCHING MY POSSESSIONS. How the FUCK do they get away with this?
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Why do you check your laptop with your luggage?

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did you file a complaint?
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TSA searches my laptop on every flight I take, whether international (legal search - though I still disagree) or domestic (illegal search).

The last flight I took, I had my laptop powered off. When I got my bags, my laptop was in a suspended state. WTF TSA STOP ILLEGALLY SEARCHING MY POSSESSIONS. How the FUCK do they get away with this?
Could be worse. I have a metal rod in my femur that sets off metal detectors.

And after one half waste of a trip where an airline lost a bunch of test equipment on me, I now bring anything that I can as carry-on. Last time I flew on a work trip, I brought an oscilloscope on the plane Airport security loves me.
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Basically just blocks the millimeter wave radiation they use for the scan. It's like those lead shields they put over your junk when you get an x-ray. The millimeter waves will go through normal clothing and then reflected by your skin, and they assemble the image from that. The metallic powder makes the waves bounce off the underwear instead of your junk.
So what's to stop people from using those to cover up potentially harmful materials?
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Could be worse. I have a metal rod in my femur that sets off metal detectors.

And after one half waste of a trip where an airline lost a bunch of test equipment on me, I now bring anything that I can as carry-on. Last time I flew on a work trip, I brought an oscilloscope on the plane Airport security loves me.

The metal rod in me used to set off security all the time when I was a kid but they haven't since about 10 years ago. Must have gotten some new technology because the hand wand is rarely used on me either these days
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So what's to stop people from using those to cover up potentially harmful materials?

Nothing. It'd be pretty obvious you had a shield there though, so you'd probably get searched.
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Nothing. It'd be pretty obvious you had a shield there though, so you'd probably get searched.
Judging by the quality of the TSA workers, I'd say the odds of being searched afterward aren't as bad as you'd think.
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