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The shooting in Arizona and its impact on gun control

So, naturally, after this tragedy took place I have personally heard members from both sides of the political spectrum spewing how their beliefs on gun laws are the correct ones to adhere to.

For the left: If extended magazines were still illegal then the shooter would not have been able to kill as many people.

For the right: This is why more people should have a gun because then they would have been able to stop the assailant before more harm was done.

I am curious to see how this affects current gun control laws both in Arizona (which, from what I have heard, has some of the more relaxed laws in the nation), as well as in the entire United States (and perhaps even in other western countries). While listening to NPR on my way to school this morning, the hosts were having a discussion on how the extended magazine used by the assassin allowed him to kill more people since he didn't have to reload. While they did in fact have a somewhat right-leaning commentator on who was defending the ownership of guns, he was mostly drowned out by the 2 or 3 other commentators who couldn't say enough about making gun laws more stringent. Since I don't really watch television news networks, I can't comment much about what some of the right-wing news commentators have to say on the issue.

Therefore, I was interested in finding out what the Pit has to say about this situation. Is this tragedy the wake-up call to bring back stricter gun control laws? Or is it merely another reason why people should carry a means of defense with them when out in public (or even in their own home)? Or is there another option I have missed entirely?

Personally, I believe that events like this are very hard to stop. While there are effective, proactive measures for security against such events, I am also aware that crazy people will do crazy things without concern for the law. Whether those crazy people use guns, or a pick-up truck filled with fertilizer, is entirely up to them.
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Shooting in AZ and DC, polar opposites of gun control, show you that neither side is right. The only way that would work would be to magically make all guns disappear.
These events are just an unavoidable part of living in a large society. Unfortunately.
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2nd amendment says we have the right to bear arms. Anything other than that is in violation of the 2nd amendment and also does not align with my personal beliefs.

having no guns gives the government too much power as they are the only ones with them

having less guns in the hands of citizens gives the criminals too much power

having more guns only raises the chances of irresponsible people carrying them
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Shooting in AZ and DC, polar opposites of gun control, show you that neither side is right. The only way that would work would be to magically make all guns disappear.
These events are just an unavoidable part of living in a large society. Unfortunately.

Holy shnikeys, very well put, sir. However --

Prior to guns, people killed others with knives and swords. It's not that guns or blades are evil, but that people are a little loony sometimes and unfortunately create these circumstances. People will kill others regardless of the medium used to do so.
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Hopefully the only change that comes out of this is better reporting to and updating of the background check mechanism. If the background check info was more thorough then it might have caught this guy and the guy in the virginia tech shooting without interfering with the legitimate right of others without mental issues to own firearms.

unfortunately, both of them could have gone out and purchased a firearm privately without a background check after being denied in a shop. the only way around that would be to mandate background checks for private gun purchases.

Other than that there's not much you can do because there is no way to guarantee absolute safety against crazy people in a free and open society.
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The stupidest law proposed from this incident so far is the one suggesting to make it illegal to carry a firearm within 1000 feet of a politician or judge.

that will guarantee politicians safety as much as drug free zones guarantee that there are no drugs present or gun free zones guarantee that there are no guns present.

someone looking to kill a politician is not really going to worry that their proximity to a politician with a gun might also be illegal.
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Hopefully the only change that comes out of this is better reporting to and updating of the background check mechanism. If the background check info was more thorough then it might have caught this guy and the guy in the virginia tech shooting without interfering with the legitimate right of others without mental issues to own firearms.

unfortunately, both of them could have gone out and purchased a firearm privately without a background check after being denied in a shop. the only way around that would be to mandate background checks for private gun purchases.

Other than that there's not much you can do because there is no way to guarantee absolute safety against crazy people in a free and open society.
Apparently, up until the point of the shooting he didn't do anything that would show up on a background check. (same with Cho at V-Tech) Are nonsensical outbursts in a college classroom really something that the proper authorities would be interested in and document? A better question would be...do we really want something like that to be an offense which could keep us from buying a firearm or flying commercially or...etc..

Maybe no person under 30 should be allowed to buy a firearm...because a 30 year old lunatic would surely do something that would show up on a background check that a 22 year old lunatic just hasn't had enough time yet to be crazy as an adult. You can see where I'm going with this..and no, I don't think this is the answer either.

Crazy is crazy....ANYTHING you can possibly think of can be the trigger that makes them snap. Maybe instead of pointing fingers left and right, someone should ask this guys parents why they were so clueless (or negligent) about his sickness....or maybe he was a perfectly normal, well adjusted child and simply became posessed by demons the past year or so.
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he kiled how many? 6? thats a standard revolver load. extended magazines are not to blame. if you want to point the finger, point it at a lack of societal infrastructure for mental health care.

too many people are blaming the tree branch for falling on their homes when they should be looking at the rot on the trunk.
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Maybe no person under 30 should be allowed to buy a firearm...because a 30 year old lunatic would surely do something that would show up on a background check that a 22 year old lunatic just hasn't had enough time yet to be crazy as an adult. You can see where I'm going with this..and no, I don't think this is the answer either.

given that schitzophrenia hardly ever happens after 30, this isn't a bad idea. but it wont stop desperate people from going to desperate measures.
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Apparently, up until the point of the shooting he didn't do anything that would show up on a background check. (same with Cho at V-Tech)

not that would show up on our current background check, obviously, as they both legally bought firearms. But they both had histories of mental issues that should have precluded them from owning firearms.

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he kiled how many? 6? thats a standard revolver load. extended magazines are not to blame. if you want to point the finger, point it at a lack of societal infrastructure for mental health care.

too many people are blaming the tree branch for falling on their homes when they should be looking at the rot on the trunk.

six dead, 14 wounded.
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not that would show up on our current background check, obviously, as they both legally bought firearms. But they both had histories of mental issues that should have precluded them from owning firearms.



six dead, 14 wounded.

wounds heal, death doesnt
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Loving the typical americunt kneejerk response to everything, keep it up guys


By the way, for those who like to talk about schizophrenics and other loonies and taking away their (second amendment) rights, have you considered not everyone gets diagnosed and/or treated, and if you start withdrawing rights it will make even less favourable for anyone to actively seek help?
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wounds heal, death doesnt

So he obviously had more than a revolver if he maimed 20 people...
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Holy shnikeys, very well put, sir. However --

Prior to guns, people killed others with knives and swords. It's not that guns or blades are evil, but that people are a little loony sometimes and unfortunately create these circumstances. People will kill others regardless of the medium used to do so.

It's hard to get people to understand that things like this are going to happen no matter what. There is no fault with gun control. Shit happens.

edit: The magic disappearing guns metaphor works with all weapons.
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wounds heal, death doesnt

So...having more bullets allowed him to kill and wound more people. No way he gets six kills with six shots, and he certainly doesn't wound (which includes shooting the Congresswoman through the brain, which may never heal) 14 more.
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