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I don't understand our police state...

There is a lot of discussion about how our prison system is so burdensome and too costly, that to keep people in jail costs $40K per year, more money than what those people we're housing make. If penitentiaries are so expensive to house inmates, and the goal of law enforcement is to "keep criminals off the street" why don't we just put them on house arrest? Now they're off the street, no more problem.. amirite?
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simple answer, the companies making money off of prisons are owned by the people who run the govt.
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simple answer, the companies making money off of prisons are owned by the people who run the govt.

wow joe pits is right... yeah nothing is sustainable or logical about the way we imprison people these days.
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simple answer.

Simple solution, start billing the families of criminal fucktards for the bullet. The Chinese got it right on how to deal with violent criminals, they only went too far in who they execute (political dissenters, etc). Limit it to violent criminals and in 5 yrs we'll have far less crime, 1/2 the prison population, and GNP will be up 50% due to all the savings incurred with eliminating criminals. Robin Harris was right:

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IIRC we arrest more people for weed than for all violent crimes combined.

violent crimes in the US are at historical lows.
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so stop smoking weed if its what's getting people arrested the most

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IIRC we arrest more people for weed than for all violent crimes combined.

violent crimes in the US are at historical lows.

still in the tens of thousands. Just because there's only say 500,000 violent crimes last year vs 800,000 5 years ago doesn't mean that there's no issue at all with violent crime. Especially to the victims of violent crime. And yeah, the weed and drug war laws are retarded and need to change.
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simple answer, the companies making money off of prisons are owned by the people who run the govt.

or they own the people who run the govt. either way.

the private prison industry is horrible. so many problems.

they lobby for "tough on crime" BS like longer mandatory minimums and fund tough on crime candidates runs for office and some have even been caught bribing judges to give people longer sentences than they should have received just so they can make more money.


house arrest isn't gonna solve much. they already use that in some cases but people on house arrest need to be monitored by electronic means and then someone has to monitor the electronics... so it's not like it's free.
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so stop smoking weed if its what's getting people arrested the most

stoner s can't solve the riddle of common sense

or maybe we could stop arresting people for things that shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

this is supposed to be a "free" country.

also our drug laws end up causing much of the violence...

and the prisons aren't full of stoners as weed has been largely decriminalized nation wide. it's just a colossal waste of money and man hours to keep catching and releasing people for no good reason.
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or they own the people who run the govt. either way.

the private prison industry is horrible. so many problems.

they lobby for "tough on crime" BS like longer mandatory minimums and fund tough on crime candidates runs for office and some have even been caught bribing judges to give people longer sentences than they should have received just so they can make more money.

I know prison costs here in Kalifornistan are cosmic, no small part due to the corrections officer's union owning so many politicians. So the corrections officers make bank, and OT + vacation time is crazy. Plus their clout in Sacramento is such that when a few years ago it was reveled that at Cochran state prison the guards were setting up gladiator fights, and then shooting some of the "fighters" under cover of "riot control" As a side show they were also putting prisoners they didn't like into a cell with a 400lb black man nick named the "booty bandit"
there were hearings and such, but nothing really happened to any guards. One turned rat, actually a whistleblower who wasn't involed in any of the crimes, he wond up choosing to "leave the proffesion" (and the state). That probably saved his life, it was made clear to him he'd have an "accident" if he remained a correction officer.

as far as judges being out and out bribed, I'd call that an isolated thing, rather than systemic. Only case I know was some judge sending kids to a boot camp and he was getting kickbacks from the boot camp.

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house arrest isn't gonna solve much. they already use that in some cases but people on house arrest need to be monitored by electronic means and then someone has to monitor the electronics... so it's not like it's free.

plus the likely hood of another willie horton.
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tough on crime yeehaw

no wonder recidivism rates are so high
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you're right, we should shower the guy that raped and murdered a 5 yr boy with hugs and kisses. It's society's fault that the little boy is dead. If we are heartless enough to imprison such people, they should enjoy all the amenities the state has to offer. Heaven forbid we make prison an uncomfortable place so that criminals might actually feel like they are being punished, and maybe decide that they shouldn't rob, rape, and murder so they won't be locked back up.
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