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Odd, you seem to be downright itching from your balls to talk about the soviet union, isn't this like the second time you bring it up despite no one really suggesting anything of the kind? Pretty fucking odd, perhaps you should seek counselling and/or medication in all honesty

Indeed. I didn't even mention socialism... I was talking about private sector vs government. Seems like he really wants to talk about the USSR so badly.
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I wish Stereodude would come back to explain to all of us how a free market system which lacks any and all regulations would immediately spread prosperity to the entire population.

Any system will have unemployment, therefore if employers are able to pay whatever they want, they will always be able to cater to the desperate and unemployed... thus wages will be extremely low. Minimum wage kills jobs only because corporations aren't penalized for exploitation of cheap labor. Yes, you read that correctly. MORE regulation is the answer.


Just as universities charge more for out of state tuition, as a way to bring more revenue into the state, we should be doing the same for goods, services, and labor imported to the country.
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free market capitalism has produced far better results than centrally planned socialist attempts by the soviet union and china

In both those examples huge numbers of people were raised out of poverty far faster than in any other system or time in human history. The USSR had a living standard comparable to the US throughout most of its history. The standard of living (including life expectancy's) dropped hugely after the USSR became capitalist and is still far lower in most areas even after two decades of capitalism.
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In both those examples huge numbers of people were raised out of poverty far faster than in any other system or time in human history. The USSR had a living standard comparable to the US throughout most of its history. The standard of living (including life expectancy's) dropped hugely after the USSR became capitalist and is still far lower in most areas even after two decades of capitalism.

Yes but the Russian private jet industry is doing well. Luxury markets are all that matter.
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Enjoy your american dream, one $8.4 at a time and like it all the way through

>implying i haven't left that $8.40 an hour job long ago and kept the savings to invest in forex and bitcoin day trading doing quite well for myself as a student

>implying you aren't jelly and that you don't wish secretly you were an american
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Every nation in the EU has been moving towards free market capitalism in the last decade(s), that's one of the major purposes of the EU. Older social welfare states are not compatible with lowering taxes on the rich/corporations, it's not that they are inherently unstable (or else they would have collapsed decades ago). Greece alone has cut taxes for some groups up to 10% just since 2006.

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They are the tip of the ice berg you pathetic troll

Tip of what iceberg? 70%+ of the country doesn't even make 50k and less than 7% make 6 figures. Millionaires are slightly more than 1% of the population (smaller proportionally than Singapore, Belgium, or Switzerland http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/...-10-countries/ ). In what insane world are your examples statistically significant?
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In both those examples huge numbers of people were raised out of poverty far faster than in any other system or time in human history. The USSR had a living standard comparable to the US throughout most of its history. The standard of living (including life expectancy's) dropped hugely after the USSR became capitalist and is still far lower in most areas even after two decades of capitalism.

Russia was doing reasonably well until the government became loathsomely corrupt and undemocratic. It's silly to blame their problems on "capitalism."

The USSR never really came close to a US standard of living anyway; even then, they made a lot of the improvements that they did coming out of an incompetent czarist regime and by exploiting the hell out of their satellite states. Hardly a glowing example of how to treat your fellow men.
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Russia was doing reasonably well until the government became loathsomely corrupt and undemocratic. It's silly to blame their problems on "capitalism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ru...expectancy.PNG
How is a huge drop in life expectancy immediately after the dissolution of the soviet system and installation of capitalism doing "reasonably well" and why would it be silly to blame it on the biggest factor by far (the economic system/wellbeing)? In many of the caucus states and central Asian states the statistics are far worse than even this.

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The USSR never really came close to a US standard of living anyway;
Outside of being able to afford more "consumer goods" (luxury goods) the US and USSR were relatively close in the standard of living.

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even then, they made a lot of the improvements that they did coming out of an incompetent czarist regime and by exploiting the hell out of their satellite states. Hardly a glowing example of how to treat your fellow men.
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Are you seriously saying the the average citizen of the USSR had the same standard of living as an American during the same time period?
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>implying i haven't left that $8.40 an hour job long ago and kept the savings to invest in forex and bitcoin day trading doing quite well for myself as a student

>implying you aren't jelly and that you don't wish secretly you were an american

Bro, you're not smart enough to do anything else, don't fool yourself. Why would I want to be an american? So I can become stupid enough to make 6 euros an hour, and actually find it appealing like you? You're fucking handicapped or something, seriously.
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Outside of being able to afford more "consumer goods" (luxury goods) the US and USSR were relatively close in the standard of living.

Isn't this statement contradictory?
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Are you seriously saying the the average citizen of the USSR had the same standard of living as an American during the same time period?

Actually, it's pretty funny that according to polls, almost a majority of current day russians say they feel they were better off in the USSR. Patriotic Eagle is also right on many other things, including life expectancy which he stated. The life expectancy for the average russian is down 10 fucking years from those days.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm

But, obviously a subjective experience is worth less than what one picked up from Reagan, and Stallone movies. "My government sucks ass and I hate it and can't wait to fucking bitch about it, but I can't fathom anything else being better or even remotely feasible"
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Are you seriously saying the the average citizen of the USSR had the same standard of living as an American during the same time period?
No, I'm saying that if you exclude consumer product consumption the USSR was relatively close? The USSR obviously wasn't as well off as the richest capitalist nation on Earth overall.

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Isn't this statement contradictory?
No because there are many other methods of measuring the standard of living i.e. Healthcare, housing, transportation, infrastructure development, education, unemployment levels and susceptibility, exploitation of a persons labour, etc.
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