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I keep forgetting the scores of people that defected to russia at the risk of the family left behind getting punished. dumb ho and pathetic beagle must be right.
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Actually, it's pretty funny that according to polls, almost a majority of current day russians say they feel they were better off in the USSR. Patriotic Eagle is also right on many other things, including life expectancy which he stated. The life expectancy for the average russian is down 10 fucking years from those days.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm

But, obviously a subjective experience is worth less than what one picked up from Reagan, and Stallone movies. "My government sucks ass and I hate it and can't wait to fucking bitch about it, but I can't fathom anything else being better or even remotely feasible"
So now you're jumping on the bandwagon and saying it as well? Just because there are a few that long for the good old days through rose colored glasses, (there are those in every country) doesn't mean those same people wouldn't have dropped everything and said FUCK YEAH!!!1 if given the chance to defect to the U.S. or western Europe back then.
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No, I'm saying that if you exclude consumer product consumption the USSR was relatively close? The USSR obviously wasn't as well off as the richest capitalist nation on Earth overall.

No because there are many other methods of measuring the standard of living i.e. Healthcare, housing, transportation, infrastructure development, education, unemployment levels and susceptibility, exploitation of a persons labour, etc.
I grew up in a solidly middle class family..not upper middle class by anyones standards (dad worked for the Treasury dept) and mom was a homemaker with several home businesses here and there. We lived in a 3,800 sqft 4br house on 2.5 acres with all the modern amenities and then some, 3 cars and a small fishing boat, I went to the doctor/dentist whenever needed and even had an orthodontist for braces. There was always plenty of food from the supermarket, and we even ate out at restaurants occasionally. After high school I attended a private college and then later a state university for a degree. My parents are both recently retired, but with good money management they live a comfortable life.

Keep in mind that we were never considered "wealthy" back then and certainly not by todays standards....and there were millions of Americans living the same or better lifestyle. How many Soviets could read that and claim the same?
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So now you're jumping on the bandwagon and saying it as well? Just because there are a few that long for the good old days through rose colored glasses, (there are those in every country) doesn't mean those same people wouldn't have dropped everything and said FUCK YEAH!!!1 if given the chance to defect to the U.S. or western Europe back then.

You still can't even fathom the idea that everyone in the world might not have been brainwashed to repeat some cliche capitalist slogans, or think that the US must be the greatest thing on earth because you've been told so

That's pretty cute, I thought those vile commies brainwashed people but it seems you have it even better down
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I grew up in a solidly middle class family..not upper middle class by anyones standards (dad worked for the Treasury dept) and mom was a homemaker with several home businesses here and there. We lived in a 3,800 sqft 4br house on 2.5 acres with all the modern amenities and then some, 3 cars and a small fishing boat, I went to the doctor/dentist whenever needed and even had an orthodontist for braces. There was always plenty of food from the supermarket, and we even ate out at restaurants occasionally. After high school I attended a private college and then later a state university for a degree. My parents are both recently retired, but with good money management they live a comfortable life.

Keep in mind that we were never considered "wealthy" back then and certainly not by todays standards....and there were millions of Americans living the same or better lifestyle. How many Soviets could read that and claim the same?
Obviously you talking about rose glasses in your last reply doesn't mean your completely subjective view where you basically say "hey I went to college and there was food from the supermarket, god bless america and capitalism"... right?

In other news (and just from the top of my head), 20% below the poverty line with 40% going back and forth over and under the line.

But hey, you went to college, good for you!
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Bro, you're not smart enough to do anything else, don't fool yourself. Why would I want to be an american? So I can become stupid enough to make 6 euros an hour, and actually find it appealing like you? You're fucking handicapped or something, seriously.

some people actually enjoy to work, regardless if their line of work involves lifting heavy thing for 10 an hour or programming financial derivatives for 100 an hour

i'd much rather go work as ranch hand for $5/hour than be a neck beard autist from scandinavia complaining about how unfair and backward the world is like you
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Obviously you talking about rose glasses in your last reply doesn't mean your completely subjective view where you basically say "hey I went to college and there was food from the supermarket, god bless america and capitalism"... right?

In other news (and just from the top of my head), 20% below the poverty line with 40% going back and forth over and under the line.

But hey, you went to college, good for you!

implying you truly give a fuck about labour statistics in america out of the goodness your own heart, or out of some ideological love for socialism

the only reason you posted those numbers is out of silly nationalism that every eurofag subsribes to, trying to one up america on paper at every given chance

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Obviously you talking about rose glasses in your last reply doesn't mean your completely subjective view where you basically say "hey I went to college and there was food from the supermarket, god bless america and capitalism"... right?

In other news (and just from the top of my head), 20% below the poverty line with 40% going back and forth over and under the line.

But hey, you went to college, good for you!
You never answered my question, as my childhood was considered very average...did the average Soviet in the 80's have a similar life? I've never seen anyone (and probably not even the Russians longing for the good old days) claim life in the Soviet Union was as good or better than the U.S. at the same time. Did you used to live there or have family there now or something?
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life was comparable maybe up until the late '60s, anyone claiming it was equal to up to and after the breshnev era is full of shit
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How is a huge drop in life expectancy immediately after the dissolution of the soviet system and installation of capitalism doing "reasonably well" and why would it be silly to blame it on the biggest factor by far (the economic system/wellbeing)? In many of the caucus states and central Asian states the statistics are far worse than even this.

Look, nobody is arguing that life in Russia sucks and is worse for most than previously. But this is not as simple as "capitalism vs Communism." The country transitioned from an autocratic, centrally planned empire, to a plutocratic non-democracy with vague aspirations of capitalism. It's more a robber baron state than a functional example of "capitalism," and blaming this on a general economic system is ridiculous. Blame the grossly corrupt government first, then look at the economic system.

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>implying you aren't jelly and that you don't wish secretly you were an american

Just wondering why on earth would a scandinavian wish to be an american?


not trying to troll or anything, but yeah...
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Just wondering why on earth would a scandinavian wish to be an american?


not trying to troll or anything, but yeah...

lack of culture?

ruho is more attuned to american pop culture, both recent and from the 80's, than an average american is.

he relishes it, while hating it.

like a pig in his own shit.
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yeah, that's not really an answer of the calibre i was hoping for.
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No, I think he means unbridled imperialism has produced better results for him, and the rest does not matter
Serious question: how does the European social democratic model survive the absence of American imperialism?

More directly: where do you see the euro in two years?

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Actually, it's pretty funny that according to polls, almost a majority of current day russians say they feel they were better off in the USSR.
A poll would report most people in the USSA felt better before its economy collapsed, too: cause and effect is a real bitch.
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some people actually enjoy to work, regardless if their line of work involves lifting heavy thing for 10 an hour or programming financial derivatives for 100 an hour

i'd much rather go work as ranch hand for $5/hour than be a neck beard autist from scandinavia complaining about how unfair and backward the world is like you

Well yes, some enjoy working.You must be autist or something. Here you are, talking about your low wage shit job, and actually whining how everyone else doesn't feel like fucking 8½ bucks an hour isn't enough. Perhaps you should keep in mind some people have kids and all that other stuff, everyone isn't a depressing fucking loser like yourself

Go work in the fucking salt mines for all I care, mongoloid
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