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Oh, and regarding "and somebody needs to come fix it back to however it was working the year before, when we all felt rich. ", you do understand that a huge amount of people from soviet states have been significantly poorer ever since, irregardless of you going "b-b-b-but banking crisis!" ?
Shut the fuck up, Ruho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_...sm#Signatories

http://www.prague.net/memorial

http://www.terrorhaza.hu/en/index_2.html

http://www.upn.gov.sk/

http://www.genocid.lt/centras/en/

http://www.socland.pl/

http://www.crimelecomunismului.ro/en...ccr/institute/

http://www.communistcrimes.org/en/Database
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:37 AM möbiustrip is offline  
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life expectancy went up when somalia adopted anarcho libertarianism by two years, woooo
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I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say that the average citizen of the USSR during the 80's (or 60's-70's as well) had quite a different life than the average American (which means many millions) during the same periods. Does that mean that one was worse than the other? That part is subjective I guess....but I also know which one citizens of both countries would choose if given the choice. I'm also gonna go out on a limb and guess that those longing for the good old days of the USSR, are mostly older people who got left behind when the switch to capitalism was made and haven't adjusted since. In other words, what they're really longing for is a sense of order when the government was the only bully in town instead of several large criminal organizations who seem to run things today. Also they probably felt more "equal" back then because most people they knew were in exactly the same boat they were, (queing up for bread and cheese before it ran out) and you didn't have new millionaires driving through town in their diamond encrusted Lambos while thumbing their noses at all the suckers who didn't exploit the "new Russia".
I think you have a pretty warped picture on how things:
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That's not really defending their bull shit now, or then, but that's how it is. About 20 per cent of russians live below the poverty line (which is a whopping 31 bucks a month for them), while those that really like capitalism, are busy sending their shit overeas... and you still cannot even for one second, fathom that someone other than an 85-year old stalinist might think he is worse off now than he was 20 years ago.

(these are of course rough estimates ...you can never trust a slav )
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Thank you for a yet another load of your bull shit non sequitur, provided by you in your jingoist psychosis

how about you post a wikipedia biography of stalin next,
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jub jub is the mouth breathing jingoist

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whatever happened to jubjub? was that the guy i called out for his about his son and then he vanished?
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whatever happened to jubjub? was that the guy i called out for his about his son and then he vanished?

cant recall who you chased off. jub jub is the capitolist patriot car dealership owner. Don't recall anything about his son.

We all chased Postal Blowjob off after his I never said that I said that I didn't say that the towers fell faster than a penny in a vacuum so I dont lose the bet. And thats what got the editing your post rules change as he tried to Pull a Martha Stweart and go back and edit everything but his posts were copied in too many quotes by others already.

But I assume he is back under a different name. maybe pathetic beagle. who has that same I am So Bitter Over the Constant Ass Raping I Get Here emo posts
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Some people are such greedy bastards. What the hell do you do with all that money? Shit, I can't see myself ever being happier earning $60k+ a year than $250k+ a year. I must live an extremely frugal life.

But, then I play a game such as SimCity and even though I have 6 million simoleons and always profit, I don't distribute the earnings and sit on a pile of cash, and I still want more. Plus I also cater to the rich .

I have some philanthropic dreams that I'd like to make happen but there's no such thing as a middle class philanthropist.
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I grew up in a solidly middle class family..not upper middle class by anyones standards (dad worked for the Treasury dept) and mom was a homemaker with several home businesses here and there. We lived in a 3,800 sqft 4br house on 2.5 acres with all the modern amenities and then some, 3 cars and a small fishing boat, I went to the doctor/dentist whenever needed and even had an orthodontist for braces. There was always plenty of food from the supermarket, and we even ate out at restaurants occasionally. After high school I attended a private college and then later a state university for a degree. My parents are both recently retired, but with good money management they live a comfortable life.

Keep in mind that we were never considered "wealthy" back then and certainly not by todays standards....and there were millions of Americans living the same or better lifestyle. How many Soviets could read that and claim the same?
You are/were wealthy compared to the vast majority of people on the Earth. The "middle class" in the US did have a higher standard of living relative to the average person in the USSR mostly because it was so much wealthier overall. There was also a large percentage of the US population that was and is still impoverished and had a lower standard of living than the average person in the USSR. The point is that the USSR system was able to produce huge economic gains with a standard of living comparable to first world capitalist nations and the introduction of capitalism in the nations of the former USSR had a devastating effect on the standard of living in those countries.
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You are/were wealthy compared to the vast majority of people on the Earth. The "middle class" in the US did have a higher standard of living relative to the average person in the USSR mostly because it was so much wealthier overall. There was also a large percentage of the US population that was and is still impoverished and had a lower standard of living than the average person in the USSR. The point is that the USSR system was able to produce huge economic gains with a standard of living comparable to first world capitalist nations and the introduction of capitalism in the nations of the former USSR had a devastating effect on the standard of living in those countries.

And of course the government of Russia had NOTHING to do with the living conditions. Only the capitalism. Yup. That's the whole story right there.
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Look, nobody is arguing that life in Russia sucks and is worse for most than previously. But this is not as simple as "capitalism vs Communism." The country transitioned from an autocratic, centrally planned empire, to a plutocratic non-democracy with vague aspirations of capitalism. It's more a robber baron state than a functional example of "capitalism," and blaming this on a general economic system is ridiculous. Blame the grossly corrupt government first, then look at the economic system.
Economics and politics are not divisible systems. The "robber baron state" IS the reality of the global capitalist system for most of the world, the first world lives in the illusion of a "fair" capitalist system because of the enormous concentration of wealth there (from exploitation of the rest of the world) allows them to pay their workers enough that they will stay content with their lot, because of the previous work of labour movements (now largely dead), and because the massive capitalist propaganda system convinces first worlders to ignore their own and others exploitation by that same system. Capitalism controls and runs the state in both Russia and the USA, the only difference is a temporary difference in standards of living.

Of course now that the threat of socialism is nearly completely wiped out and a truly global capitalist system exists there is no longer any need to maintain such a facade. Most people in the US have a vague sense that they're being "left behind" in the modern world, the right funnels this anger into movements like the tea party (while the left simply doesn't exist on any significant level) and couch the reality in terms like "the end of empire" or "losing global competitiveness".
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