General [M]ayhem

Go Back   General [M]ayhem > Real Time Sub-Forums > The Pit
Register Members List Mark Forums Read [M]erchandise Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools
TheMorlock
Contrary to my previous title I never fucked Inf's mother
 
TheMorlock's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pojke View Post
What do you mean by "goes to bureaucrats"? Are bureaucrats persons? Do they spend money? And do you really think the private sector is free of "boondogles that have negative ROI"? And as for being taxed again, that would depend on whose hands it's in. But this whole argument stems from the objection to an ever widening gap between haves and have nots. The more laissez faire you get (at least in this country where most laws are written according to the wishes of corporate lobbyists) the wider the gap gets. You apparently want that, but I don't.


Farmers create wealth steel workers create wealth auto workers create wealth they all have value added jobs. The companies that employ them and come up with new ways to do things are creating wealth adding value to low value materials.

Bureaucrats dont add value. They suck up the majority of taxes coming in.

When a private boondoggle happens the company takes the loss and does not just pump more money into the boondoggle while stating to the populace that it was just underfunded and if we just tax you a little more we can spend more on it next time.


Get it yet?
__________________
There is nothing to worry about. Legions of wise people with nothing but all of best interests at heart are ensuring our future of love and infinite bliss. Go watch TV :Bflaps
http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=572323
Old 07-04-2011, 05:16 PM TheMorlock is offline  
Reply With Quote
#61  

Advertisement [Remove Advertisement]

Stereodude
 
Stereodude's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMorlock View Post
When a private boondoggle happens the company takes the loss and does not just pump more money into the boondoggle
Whereas the gov't would come back and say that the problem was that they didn't spend enough money on the boondoggle and that if they try it again and spend even more money the boondoggle will be successful this time.
Old 07-04-2011, 05:20 PM Stereodude is offline  
Reply With Quote
#62  

pojke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
Nope... A company should be free to pay as little or as much as they want. If someone is willing to take the job, they will, if not the company will have to offer more.
In other words corporations have an incentive to create as much desperation as possible among the population (also why conservatives do nothing about open borders). They are working against the interests of average Americans, yet we have professional propagandists and liars convincing the gullible that it's in their interests to give corporations and the wealthy few whatever they want. So that it will "trickle down" dontcha know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
Well, why don't we raise the minimum wage to $25 an hour then?
I covered that. Minimum wage doesn't take into account actual needs of employees, as your example highlighted.
Old 07-04-2011, 06:01 PM pojke is offline  
Reply With Quote
#63  

pojke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMorlock View Post
Farmers create wealth steel workers create wealth auto workers create wealth they all have value added jobs. The companies that employ them and come up with new ways to do things are creating wealth adding value to low value materials.

Bureaucrats dont add value. They suck up the majority of taxes coming in.

When a private boondoggle happens the company takes the loss and does not just pump more money into the boondoggle while stating to the populace that it was just underfunded and if we just tax you a little more we can spend more on it next time.

Get it yet?
There's nothing to "get" from what you wrote. You didn't answer the question of what you mean by "goes to bureaucrats." Yes, administrators get paid. Is that what you're getting at? Perhaps there are too many of them and it could be streamlined, but that's another argument. Even if they are sitting in a superfluous position, they are spending the money they are paid. But what I'm talking about is the kind of revenue that ends up in the hands of others, whether it's spending on infrastucture like highways, rail, dams, military, NASA, unemployment benefits, food stamps, medicare, etc. It's all being spent in the private economy. And those dollars are every bit as economically potent when spent by a poor person or a construction worker as when spent by a wealthy person.

The farmers, steel workers, and auto workers you mentioned above are STILL creating wealth. The difference is they may actually get to enjoy a little more of the wealth THEY'VE played a huge part in creating.

Get it yet?
Old 07-04-2011, 06:50 PM pojke is offline  
Reply With Quote
#64  

TheMorlock
Contrary to my previous title I never fucked Inf's mother
 
TheMorlock's Avatar
 
No it's not another argument.
__________________
There is nothing to worry about. Legions of wise people with nothing but all of best interests at heart are ensuring our future of love and infinite bliss. Go watch TV :Bflaps
http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=572323
Old 07-04-2011, 06:51 PM TheMorlock is offline  
Reply With Quote
#65  

Patriotic Eagle
 
Patriotic Eagle's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redrum View Post
>implying the wealth gap in the us, as bad as it may be, is anywhere close to wealth gap present in countries like brazil or russia

Russia has a smaller gap than the US by most measurements.
Old 07-04-2011, 07:59 PM Patriotic Eagle is offline  
Reply With Quote
#66  

Gibonius
 
"Trickle down" is not the same as "low taxes and low government spending." Equating the two is one of the typical tactics used to sell average Americans on a policy that really does not advance their interests at all, and it's been awfully successful.
Old 07-04-2011, 08:00 PM Gibonius is offline  
Reply With Quote
#67  

Vote McCain!
Retardism
 
Vote McCain!'s Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
No they don't. You can't legislate equality of outcomes unless you want to make everyone equally miserable. The gov't has an obligation to ensure equality of opportunity and a level playing field (in that people aren't cheating).

It sure does, but how does that justify giving money away to people that have way too much already, while sacrificing basic services? (edit: BTW I'm not implying giving obese people disability payments etc. is a "basic service")

Quote:
No, my argument is that the private sector does a better job than gov't at growing success. The gov't doesn't make anything. It doesn't get anything without first taking it from the private sector.
Uh, I'm just gonna take on the role of captain obvious here and point out to you that without the government, through DARPA, there would be NO internet. If it wasn't for the government conducting the basic research, not only would there be no internet, but there would be no myspace, twatter, facebook, or [M]. Without the government, we would still be jacking off to shit porno magazines that cost $3.95 instead of being able to look up any sort of deviant sexual act we wanted and proceeding to destroy your pink eraser of a penis at the click of a button. Without the government, WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS FUCKING CONVERSATION.

Please... don't breed.

Last edited by Vote McCain!; 07-04-2011 at 08:27 PM..
Old 07-04-2011, 08:17 PM Vote McCain! is offline  
Reply With Quote
#68  

Redrum
Crate&Barrel Roll
 
Redrum's Avatar
 
you're all missing the point

amerikka is getting shitty not because of the impotent policies of reagan boosh or clinton, but simply because the rest of the world is on it's way up...

population in general is growing as well, which means less weatlh for everyone...

corporate lobbies and the massively corrupt military industrial complex doesn't help either, but that's a whole other story...
__________________
lol
Old 07-04-2011, 09:04 PM Redrum is offline  
Reply With Quote
#69  

joemama
Watch Toomer burn those cowboys. How bout them cowboys?
 
joemama's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vote McCain! View Post
Uh, I'm just gonna take on the role of captain obvious here and point out to you that without the government, through DARPA, there would be NO internet. If it wasn't for the government conducting the basic research, not only would there be no internet, but there would be no myspace, twatter, facebook, or [M]. Without the government, we would still be jacking off to shit porno magazines that cost $3.95 instead of being able to look up any sort of deviant sexual act we wanted and proceeding to destroy your pink eraser of a penis at the click of a button. Without the government, WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS FUCKING CONVERSATION.

Please... don't breed.
The internet was created for military/espionage purposes...and the trickle down effect means it finally made it to the private sector. So basically you're saying that you're pro-military and think that a larger portion of the government budget should go in that direction AMIRITE?
__________________
Rapid-fire double bass of the GenMay dru[M]mers collective

Syndrome of a Downs- drums/songwriter
._--_|\
/ииииииии\
\_.--Bumfuck Egypt
.......v
Old 07-04-2011, 09:08 PM joemama is offline  
Reply With Quote
#70  

TheMorlock
Contrary to my previous title I never fucked Inf's mother
 
TheMorlock's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redrum View Post
you're all missing the point

amerikka is getting shitty not because of the impotent policies of reagan boosh or clinton, but simply because the rest of the world is on it's way up...

population in general is growing as well, which means less weatlh for everyone...

corporate lobbies and the massively corrupt military industrial complex doesn't help either, but that's a whole other story...

What? Europe is crashing worse than we are. India and pakistan are not really going anywhere fast. That leaves china.
__________________
There is nothing to worry about. Legions of wise people with nothing but all of best interests at heart are ensuring our future of love and infinite bliss. Go watch TV :Bflaps
http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=572323
Old 07-04-2011, 09:38 PM TheMorlock is offline  
Reply With Quote
#71  

Vote McCain!
Retardism
 
Vote McCain!'s Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joemama View Post
The internet was created for military/espionage purposes...and the trickle down effect means it finally made it to the private sector. So basically you're saying that you're pro-military and think that a larger portion of the government budget should go in that direction AMIRITE?

Not necessarily, and i never said that I'm anti-military. Most of the men in my family served in some branch of the armed forces. The point is that without the government putting up the money to fund the fundamental research, some of the technologies that we take for granted (internet) wouldn't exist today.
Old 07-04-2011, 09:52 PM Vote McCain! is offline  
Reply With Quote
#72  

TheMorlock
Contrary to my previous title I never fucked Inf's mother
 
TheMorlock's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vote McCain! View Post
Not necessarily, and i never said that I'm anti-military. Most of the men in my family served in some branch of the armed forces. The point is that without the government putting up the money to fund the fundamental research, some of the technologies that we take for granted (internet) wouldn't exist today.

Paying someone to not work for 15 years is not fundamental research.

And IIRC Darpanet was a joint military and university project. And it went from a government test bed to what it is today because once it proved useful The Government Left It The Fuck Alone for private business and individuals to develop.
__________________
There is nothing to worry about. Legions of wise people with nothing but all of best interests at heart are ensuring our future of love and infinite bliss. Go watch TV :Bflaps
http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=572323
Old 07-04-2011, 10:26 PM TheMorlock is offline  
Reply With Quote
#73  

acidfast7
 
acidfast7's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendetta View Post
I dunno man. I used to earn 60k a year and now I earn much, much more. Makes a world of difference.

I wouldn't say a world of difference. We're pretty high in the income scale in Germany and our lifestyles haven't changed that much. The only difference is that we're considering putting 50% down on an apartment from the last few years of savings.

We still drive a 1995 Audi and travel Coach/Economy.
__________________
I always post that shitty animated .gif of a boulder tumbling down a hill.
Old 07-04-2011, 10:33 PM acidfast7 is offline  
Reply With Quote
#74  

acidfast7
 
acidfast7's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMorlock View Post
What? Europe is crashing worse than we are. India and pakistan are not really going anywhere fast. That leaves china.


When you're at the peak, there is nowhere but down.
__________________
I always post that shitty animated .gif of a boulder tumbling down a hill.
Old 07-04-2011, 10:35 PM acidfast7 is offline  
Reply With Quote
#75  

Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:49 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.