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It's pretty cute how many of the people here who are probably employed by the finance industry, tech industry, or whatever bourgeois job they can find consider themselves super productive workers fully deserving of their ridiculously disproportional wages while living on the accumulated labour of millions of people engaged in back breaking labour which they simultaneously disdain as "lazy" and "greedy".
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It's funny you mention that as the luxury tax imposed by the US congress ~1991 killed the yacht/boat industry in the Northeast and put 100K+ workers out of work.

It's funny how international capital destroyed massive amounts of industry in the US and completely abandoning workers (including crushing unions) for shortsighted profits in near slave labour conditions overseas has left huge sections of the working class with near minimum wage jobs if they have any at all. God damn those yacht taxes!
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I'm sure it's person specific. We drive an expensive car (which actually should not matter in this as it was free) and travel business class. We spend lots of money on vacations and home furnishings, and we go out frequently for expensive dates. We also save a lot in multiple accounts/investments to prepare for the future and retirement.

Our dual income is quite high and it would suck if it were halved. Of course we could still live, likely comfortably. But I wouldn't want to.

lol you are like the ultimate bourgeois liberal caricature
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It's pretty cute how many of the people here who are probably employed by the finance industry, tech industry, or whatever bourgeois job they can find consider themselves super productive workers fully deserving of their ridiculously disproportional wages while living on the accumulated labour of millions of people engaged in back breaking labour which they simultaneously disdain as "lazy" and "greedy".

jesus christ shut the fuck up, how many of the people who get by with $9/hour are just scum of the earth types who live for the upcoming weekend's session of binge drinking and illicit drug use, and are all around incapable or unwilling to save a dollar, and are all around mentally uneqipped to do anything else (beside the mexican illegals, a huge percentage)

i've worked back breaking construction jobs for $8.40 an hour after taxes and let me tell you i did not spend one minute of it being butthurt that a select few are worth $1 billion plus

true distribution of wealth will be impossible until a post scarcity economy is accomplished and all work is automated, and even then things won't be peachy as we'll be heading towards a malthusian catastrophe, barring colonization of space and the exploitation of the resources therein..

as long as the person getting a median income can live semi comfortably things are fine, no point in ruminating and sitting on your ass complaining that opra or paris hilton has more money than you

and even then there's no point in complaining as there are plenty of people in the world who would kill to live off $10 a day, so unless you're complaining about the uneven distrbution of the world's wealth from some decrepit shack in the congo you have absolutely no right to complain, as just living in a western nation you're indirectly profiting off of the exploitation of third worlders and miserable chinese laborers
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leave the pathetic troll alone red

Trying to have an intelligent discussion with Patriotic Beagle is like having one with ry goody.
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jesus christ shut the fuck up, how many of the people who get by with $9/hour are just scum of the earth types who live for the upcoming weekend's session of binge drinking and illicit drug use, and are all around incapable or unwilling to save a dollar, and are all around mentally uneqipped to do anything else (beside the mexican illegals, a huge percentage)
Actually I wasn't talking specifically about first world wage labourers (many of them are far from the bottom rung even after devaluation of their labour in recent decades) but you seem to have an incredibly misanthropic view towards your fellow workers. A hedonistic lifestyle has little to do with the value of their labour.


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i've worked back breaking construction jobs for $8.40 an hour after taxes and let me tell you i did not spend one minute of it being butthurt that a select few are worth $1 billion plus
Probably because you're far removed from the reality of the most exploited people in the system and are fully willing to buy into capitalist propaganda that you should be content with the current system.

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true distribution of wealth will be impossible until a post scarcity economy is accomplished and all work is automated, and even then things won't be peachy as we'll be heading towards a malthusian catastrophe, barring colonization of space and the exploitation of the resources therein..
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as long as the person getting a median income can live semi comfortably things are fine, no point in ruminating and sitting on your ass complaining that opra or paris hilton has more money than you

and even then there's no point in complaining as there are plenty of people in the world who would kill to live off $10 a day, so unless you're complaining about the uneven distrbution of the world's wealth from some decrepit shack in the congo you have absolutely no right to complain, as just living in a western nation you're indirectly profiting off of the exploitation of third worlders and miserable chinese laborers
I never said I wasn't. It's impossible to live in the first world with benefiting from exploited labour. It seems quite bizarre that you recognize this but are completely against any significant criticism and analysis of the system even as your own comfortable lifestyle is slowly disappearing as US workers become less and less valued.
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Really Beagle? How many Bill Gates Oprah winfrey's Johnny Carsons Jeff Bezos etc etc etc are there in other countries?

These are not people to be admired nor statistically significant examples.
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so what's the point of complaining about exploitation and uneven distribution of wealth if at the same time you're benefiting directly from it? minus a few million dollars you're no better than the millionaire libtards who are supposedly marxists while living in gated communities their whole lives.

seems like you're just paying lip service to the whole idea out of guilt or to look like a cool enlightened contrarian. you yourself probably work the kind of cushy bourgeoisie job you derided others for in this thread...

can't beat them join them.
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If the gov put a tax on people making 1+ million a year, I would not shed a tear. I am an extreme capitalist and do believe in the idea that if you work hard you can earn money and live a comfortable life, but, corps today don't want that. They want to pay their top people insane salaries, and everyone else just enough so they don't quit.

It sickens me to say it but I am becoming more anti capitalist each day that I work at a job I don't get paid enough for, for a company that doesn't give a shit if I had to live in a paper box in the parking lot. But I think that is why people at the top pay themselves more, because they engender an entitlement of "being at the top" so they take the peons' bonus and throw it into their money pile.
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The private sector can take care of the people better than the government can... right? Tell me when the CEO of Goldman Sachs says anything remotely similar to this:

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Oh, wait... he never will because he's too busy fucking over the entire economy and taxpayers for personal gain.

If you think Free Market Capitalism can result in a fair and advanced society for the entire population, get your fucking head checked.
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Yes lets run the government based on FDR's ponzi scheme. It's worked so well so far.
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The private sector can take care of the people better than the government can... right? Tell me when the CEO of Goldman Sachs says anything remotely similar to this:

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ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.


Oh, wait... he never will because he's too busy fucking over the entire economy and taxpayers for personal gain.

If you think Free Market Capitalism can result in a fair and advanced society for the entire population, get your fucking head checked.

free market capitalism has produced far better results than centrally planned socialist attempts by the soviet union and china
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The problem with this country is things are unbalanced.

After WWII, we became too wealthy as a country compared to the rest of the world. So naturally our jobs found their way to other countries because the labor was irresistibly cheap. This was unavoidable because there was just too much money to be made. And once one company found a way to ship jobs overseas, their competitors had to follow suit.

Now the rest of the world is slowly catching up to our wealth and we are borrowing ourselves to death trying to maintain the lifestyle we became accustomed to.

Another way we are unbalanced is the super wealthy have too much money compared to the laborers. The government needs to step in and do its job to even things out just a little.

Right now the corporations have too much wealth. We are too far to the right. The PUBLICLY ELECTED Government needs to step in and redistribute the wealth more evenly.

When we shift back too far to the left and to too much government, then we need to elect people to move it back to the right. But right now any idiot can see we are too far to the right. Well maybe not any idiot.
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The problem with this country is things are unbalanced.

After WWII, we became too wealthy as a country compared to the rest of the world. So naturally our jobs found their way to other countries because the labor was irresistibly cheap. This was unavoidable because there was just too much money to be made. And once one company found a way to ship jobs overseas, their competitors had to follow suit.

Now the rest of the world is slowly catching up to our wealth and we are borrowing ourselves to death trying to maintain the lifestyle we became accustomed to.

Another way we are unbalanced is the super wealthy have too much money compared to the laborers. The government needs to step in and do its job to even things out just a little.

Right now the corporations have too much wealth. We are too far to the right. The PUBLICLY ELECTED Government needs to step in and redistribute the wealth more evenly.

When we shift back too far to the left and to too much government, then we need to elect people to move it back to the right. But right now any idiot can see we are too far to the right. Well maybe not any idiot.

Socialism will never work in the US. Americans are too selfish.
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These are not people to be admired nor statistically significant examples.

They are the tip of the ice berg you pathetic troll

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Socialism will never work in the US. Americans are too selfish.

socialism has never worked anwhere. I thought you were not trolling anymore.
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