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Non Local Consciousness - thoughts and resources

I just got finished watching this documentary titled The Quantum Activist. I know absolutely nothing about physics, so I will admit that my mind is easily malleable in that regard. However, I found the material to be extremely stimulating. Really interesting stuff.

Some of you here really know your stuff, and I wanted to hear what you guys thought about this idea of a non local consciousness. To quote Bill Hicks, we're all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. The idea that consciousness precedes matter, and is the mediator between quantum possibilities and outcomes, was like getting mindfucked by Ron Jeremy.

Naturally, I'm most interested in criticisms. Anything that can take that idea and write it off as pseudoscience. Also, any good resources for learning more about this stuff, other than Wikipedia.

What'chu guys think?
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do more drugs, hang out with ry goody. Wait for the grand octopus of multispace to move your strings into enlightment.
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unless you've completed an undergrad degree in physics, you have no business watching or reading anything with the words quantum in it.

the whole quantum craze has birthed a whole bunch of new age and quackery, take a look at people deepk chopra and what the bleep do we know, and has been used to explain everything from palm reading to chakra crystals.
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do more drugs, hang out with ry goody. Wait for the grand octopus of multispace to move your strings into enlightment.

You know, I was actually hoping you'd have something intelligent to say about this.
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You know, I was actually hoping you'd have something intelligent to say about this.

There isn't anything intelligent to say about it.


So I just repeated some of ry goody's nonsense.
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Check out Quantum Mechanics and Experience by Albert. Not as sensational as what you're discussing, but definitely relevant and fairly basic. Used it as a textbook for one of the classes I took, though to be honest a fair amount of time was spent critiquing instances of faulty logic in the book. Nevertheless, seems to be the best thing available for non-physicists.
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You mean stuff like Rene Descartes talked about "duality"?
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I wanted to hear what you guys thought about this idea of a non local consciousness... The idea that consciousness precedes matter, and is the mediator between quantum possibilities and outcomes

Naturally, I'm most interested in criticisms. Anything that can take that idea and write it off as pseudoscience.
Well, it's fucking retarded.

Can I be of further assistance?
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People seem to like to try to apply quantum conditions to everything, but you have to keep in mind that your brain is not an atom or molecule. It's millions and millions of them, and is going to follow pretty much the same rules as any other Newtonian system. You can even derive those rules from quantum mechanics for large systems if you want. The quantum effects are pretty much negligible once you get past a few hundred thousand atoms.

Quantum states are so localized that I can't see how you'd possibly expect to get any non-local information, short of some extremely unusual conditions like entangled spin-pairs (which you can't exactly do with your brain).

There is a lot of speculation that a lot of our brain function itself is quantum, that is, our brains are basically quantum computers. I don't know enough about the field to know if it has any validity. But they talking about internal to your brain in any case.
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there is talk of quantum effects at synapse endings causing initial firing of an otherwise static state.

others argue that any quantum effect cant last long enough in that environment. That the neuron firing takes longer than duration of any possible quantum effect
But I dont see why the effect would have to last the fulll duration. Just enough to destabalize the static state.

But all that linked/distributed consciousness, telepathy etc would require massive ammounts of organized entangled pairs with a way to read it and the problems inherent in the change caused by reading it. And there we have ry goody's electron that wants to be a man so evolves into a man from the centroid chakra.


And we toss that insane shit right out. And to ry goody and friends. No it is not tossing the baby out with the bathwater. There is no baby and that was mescaline laced bong water not bath water.
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You know opposing certain ideas can be just as wrong as presenting them yourself in the first place.
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did some of the bong water hit you in the face??
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