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Obama proved it wrong? by inheriting a budget that was absolutely fucked up by a talking ape from texas?
So how many years will Obama have to stay in office before he has nobody to blame but himself? I'm guessing in your mind 8 years won't be enough..
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it's fun to blame the black man for everything despite the fact that congress holds the purse strings of the nation.

YES. Because NO president has any power or responsibility to guide the nation into prosperity.
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it's fun to blame the black man for everything despite the fact that congress holds the purse strings of the nation.

hahaha you're a fucking moron, you're one of those criticize obama = racist aren't you

obama is nothing more than a barely liberal centrist, why do you defend him so much again?

oh yeah that's right it's because you're a partisan hack who would defend george w. bush to the death if he had a d next to his name instead of an r...
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So how many years will Obama have to stay in office before he has nobody to blame but himself? I'm guessing in your mind 8 years won't be enough..

He has plenty to account for on his own without people trying to blame him for the failures of the previous congress/administration. No matter how long he is in office the stuff the previous admin did will still be stuff the previous admin did. We wouldn't have to keep re litigating the same old shit if people would stop with the revisionist history already. Obama didn't get into office and spend 7 trillion dollars on day one.

A decade of the bush tax cuts cost the nation 4.4T because they never cut spending, a decade of two wars cost us another 1.3T and a decade of medicare part D will cost us about another trillion. And those are just the highlights. Welcome to the financial situation we are still dealing with today; only today we have three wars and Obama the socialist marxist communist has extended the bush tax cuts and passed even more tax cuts.

Now can we have a real discussion about the future or do we need to go over recent history again?
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hahaha you're a fucking moron, you're one of those criticize obama = racist aren't you

No. And quite frankly I'm getting tired of criticism being called racist. It's as stupid as people saying Palin gets picked on because she's a woman.

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obama is nothing more than a barely liberal centrist, why do you defend him so much again?
Because he's a barely liberal centrist realist, not the communist marxist maoist leninist retards are trying to make him out to be. I wish he were more liberal in some areas but at least my criticisms of him aren't flamingly retarded name calling with no basis in reality.

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oh yeah that's right it's because you're a partisan hack who would defend george w. bush to the death if he had a d next to his name instead of an r...
I'm a liberal libertarian, not a democrat. However the clearly better of the two parties we have to choose from at the moment is the democrat party because the other side is full of raving lunatics who want to double down on stupid.

They tell us tax cuts create jobs when we have record low taxes and record high unemployment. they tell us tax cuts pay for themselves when we have record high debt. they tell us we can cut our way to financial stability and that the best government to run the worlds largest economy in the 21st century is the US government, from the 1800s.

One party is serious about solving some of the issues we face and the other is still trying to overturn roe v wade and repeal the 14th amendment. I'll let you figure out which is which.
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He has plenty to account for on his own without people trying to blame him for the failures of the previous congress/administration. No matter how long he is in office the stuff the previous admin did will still be stuff the previous admin did. We wouldn't have to keep re litigating the same old shit if people would stop with the revisionist history already. Obama didn't get into office and spend 7 trillion dollars on day one.

A decade of the bush tax cuts cost the nation 4.4T because they never cut spending, a decade of two wars cost us another 1.3T and a decade of medicare part D will cost us about another trillion. And those are just the highlights. Welcome to the financial situation we are still dealing with today; only today we have three wars and Obama the socialist marxist communist has extended the bush tax cuts and passed even more tax cuts.

Now can we have a real discussion about the future or do we need to go over recent history again?
So going by your line of reasoning, Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton were responsible for 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq..right? Bush Sr. for not taking down Saddam when we had the perfect chance, and Clinton for not taking out Bin Laden. 9/11 and Afghanistan likely wouldn't have happened if Bin Laden had been taken out back in the 90's, and support for an invasion/regime change in Iraq likely would have never happened without 9/11 occuring..

Isn't Monday morning quarterbacking fun? I don't see why any President would seek out a second term and potentially ruin their legacy.....the first four years are a freebie where you can take all the credit for the good stuff and blame the bad on the guy you replaced..
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:26 AM joemama is offline  
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hitting the debt ceiling doesn't mean we are out of money.

what it means:
1. politicians can't add new debt.
2. current debts are paid on regular schedule (~$180B income with ~$39B in debt payments).
3. for the first time since the chosen one has taken office the politicians will be forced to do something about the budget, other than not pass one, before they go back to spending all our money.
4. ...
5. no profit, no loss, shit still sucks.
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hitting the debt ceiling doesn't mean we are out of money.

what it means:
1. politicians can't add new debt.
2. current debts are paid on regular schedule (~$180B income with ~$39B in debt payments).
3. for the first time since the chosen one has taken office the politicians will be forced to do something about the budget, other than not pass one, before they go back to spending all our money.
4. ...
5. no profit, no loss, shit still sucks.
Number 2 has serious consequences. Because those debts still have to be paid (without offsetting with different debt) cuts have to be maide, and those cuts come from things like:

#1) Social Security recipients
#2) Government employee salaries
#3) Unemployment benefits
#4) Active duty military salaries
#5) Defense contracts

Theres a list of about 10 things, of which we'll only be able to fund 5 if its not passed. Hopefully its just posturing, and those assholes in congress will stop being pedantic children soon, but they seem especially stupid this year. I normally ignore politics, but im slightly concerned.
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Number 2 has serious consequences. Because those debts still have to be paid (without offsetting with different debt) cuts have to be maide, and those cuts come from things like:

#1) Social Security recipients
#2) Government employee salaries
#3) Unemployment benefits
#4) Active duty military salaries
#5) Defense contracts

Theres a list of about 10 things, of which we'll only be able to fund 5 if its not passed. Hopefully its just posturing, and those assholes in congress will stop being pedantic children soon, but they seem especially stupid this year. I normally ignore politics, but im slightly concerned.

#1) Social Security recipients Nope

#3) Unemployment benefits I dont think so but after two years of being on unemployment and obama wanting to extend it to 3 maybe we should stop calling it a safety net and admit its a fucking cradle.

#4) Active duty military salaries Nope


#5) Defense contracts I hope not. Unless we finally get to "reallocate personnel resources" and lose the old prima donnas that never had any talent to rate that status to begin with in the company I work for.

In other words, Quit listening to Obama. He got caught the last time lying about military salaries et al.

Oh and I forget which thread it was in but the ZOMG UNDER BUSH TEH DEBT LIMIT WAS RAISED 7 TIMES.. Thats less than once a year. Been raised 4 times under Obama. Just sayin...

Oh and the trillion dollars of e printed money by the fed was used in 2008 (around october?)to trade "High liquidity assets"(read e printed money) "for low liquidity assets"(read bad overpriced mortagages) and 0 inteerest loans to mortgage banking institutions which is what the FOIA lawsuit is trying to get full disclosure on. FED claimed its protected data.
[items NOT in parentheses is from FED source.]
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#1) Social Security recipients Nope

#3) Unemployment benefits I dont think so but after two years of being on unemployment and obama wanting to extend it to 3 maybe we should stop calling it a safety net and admit its a fucking cradle.

#4) Active duty military salaries Nope


#5) Defense contracts I hope not. Unless we finally get to "reallocate personnel resources" and lose the old prima donnas that never had any talent to rate that status to begin with in the company I work for.

In other words, Quit listening to Obama. He got caught the last time lying about military salaries et al.

Oh and I forget which thread it was in but the ZOMG UNDER BUSH TEH DEBT LIMIT WAS RAISED 7 TIMES.. Thats less than once a year. Been raised 4 times under Obama. Just sayin...

Oh and the trillion dollars of e printed money by the fed was used in 2008 (around october?)to trade "High liquidity assets"(read e printed money) "for low liquidity assets"(read bad overpriced mortagages) and 0 inteerest loans to mortgage banking institutions which is what the FOIA lawsuit is trying to get full disclosure on. FED claimed its protected data.
[items NOT in parentheses is from FED source.]
none of those items came from the president. In fact, the list is published by congress itself. Its just the funding list...
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I didnt vote for president obama, i dont support a ton of his policies, I actually think bush was trying to do the right thing, and even I think you're a blithering idiot.

That should say something.
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I didnt vote for president obama, i dont support a ton of his policies, I actually think bush was trying to do the right thing, and even I think you're a blithering idiot.

That should say something.

Yeah, it says you are a blithering idiot.
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The web video "the end of america 3" talks about this very idea, that the end of the dollar is coming. We are too far gone. So much so that raising the debt ceiling will not only delay the inevitable, but also cause more harm in the long run. The UK went through a similar crisis in the 70's. I think the US will survive. But defaulting may be a necessary Bloodletting. It could be an opportunity to clean house. Id say its time to stock up for hard times ahead.
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