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and besides, no religious man should be allowed to be elected to become president period

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yes, yes i would. i'll take extreme christfaggery over cultural marxism ANYDAY.

oh gross, and then you turn around and say that?

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i don't want a theocracy at all, but what i am saying is i'd much rather having raging chrisfags as neighbors who are slightly homophobic then two queers who raise their adopted children in a completely gender neutral kind of way...for seemingly no reason other than they can.

I would have no problem with Christianity or any other religion if it wasn't hellbent (no pun intended) on making every do what they say because of their beliefs. Your gay neighbors don't care whether you're also gay or not. They don't give a flying fuck about your personal life. They don't want everyone to be gay, they just want to be gay AND maintain their rights.
With a theocracy, they will absolutely give a fuck about what you do in your personal life. They will give a fuck if you masturbate, they will give a fuck who you fuck, and when, and how, and why. They will want every person to be a [insert whatever is the reigning religion.] Do you honestly not see how fucked up that is?

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when i refer to traditional family values, i'm talking about the nuclear family. smoking weed with your parents isn't very traditional, but having a father and mother is, something which the extremist left seems to be repulsed by, and a result incites ridiculous gender wars which only cause widespread confusion among children at such a young age. it's not very PC but gender roles are hard wired to a certain extent, and are effected greatly chiefly by the hormonal difference between males and females. subtle differences in brain structure between the sexes is a factor as well, but doesn't even need to be mentioned.

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. bachmann taken her to absolute extreme would result in homos going back to the closet and maybe prayer being mandatory in school again.

False dichotomy: The right is repulsed by anything that isn't a nuclear family, that doesn't mean the left is repulsed by anything that is. Nature vs. nurture is still widely debated and you'll find smart people on both sides of the debate; however, while certain traits may be inherent based on gender (which could be a whole new argument itself, because gender is not the same thing as sex) gender roles themselves are learned behaviors. Girls get to play with kitchen sets and boys get to play with tonka trucks, and kids that dare breach this norm are shamed into submission.

Also, no, I'm pretty sure worse could happen under Bachmann, you should consider the high suicide rate amongst gay teens in her district.
And mandatory prayer in school is not something to be so blasé about. You're really down with mandatory indoctrination of our children into their stupid skyzombie cult?
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JFK much?
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JFK much?

John F Kennedy?
Jesus Fucking Christ?
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But yeah, pretty sure Tehmorlock means John F Kennedy who was Catholic
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But yeah, pretty sure Tehmorlock means John F Kennedy who was Catholic

Yeah, there have been plenty of presidents on both sides of the coin who have done some good and some bad shit and have been religious, mainly because even if they're not actually religious, atheists are mistrusted more than any other minority (except apparently tea partiers, now.)
In the realm of politics, however, being religious and bringing that religiosity to work with you benefits nobody except those that fit your narrow common worldview. If you are faced with the dilemma of work and religion clashing, you need to pick one or the other. If you can do your job and leave religion at home, good. That's how it should be. But when people want to use their religion to enact law and change public policy, then fuck right off.
If you don't want to have to marry the gays, don't be a clerk. If you don't want to have to give out the morning after pill or contraceptives, don't be a pharmacist/pharmacy tech. If you don't want to work within a secular society, then stay the fuck out of government.
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it's a matter of principle.

if you take either ideology to the extreme i'd favor bachmann. theocratic state == less hyper materialism and less jersey shore.

modern day cultural marxism == the wasteland of idiocracy.

at least the far right is pro male and pro family values. what else does the far left have to be offer me other than the command that i should hate myself for being a white male?

so much facepalm, so little time.

where do you get the idea that any of the republicans in congress are not into materialism? they are not even real chiristians. they don't believe in helping the poor. that jesus was a socialist.

the "christianity" they believe in tells them that if they are rich and powerful that means god likes them and they are god's special little friend which means they don't really need to follow rules. rules are for those other little people. the poor and powerless ones. because if you are poor and powerless then you must have done something wrong to lose gods favor.

if you call what the right promotes "family values" then I weep for your future children.

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where do you even get this retarded nonsense? the religious right hates anything but a nuclear family, the left doesn't give a shit.

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Everyone deserves freedom of speech. Except for you and you and you and you that dont parrot in what PBS says.

Cause fox news and all of right wing radio is regularly censored by the government.

oh wait, no they aren't. you are stupid.

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BTW Bachmann and all the rest of the Retardicans sit there and bitch and moan about how the government needs to stay out of everyone's personal lives and they love to talk about liberty. But when some guy they have never met wants to get fucked in the ass by another guy, or if someone that doesn't even live in the same state as them wants to smoke weed, suddenly they need the gubmint and the DEA to come tell everyone what they can and can't do in their personal lives. The hypocrisy is astounding.

That's why I will never vote for any republican
(Except Ron Paul, but it's unlikely )
(and maybe John Huntsman).

or they bitch about how government spending doesn't create jobs and stimulate the economy and they vote against stimulus, then when the stimulus passes anyway they write personal letters to the president begging him to send some of that stimulus money to their state so that they can benefit from it too.



Or they are the rootinest tootinests freedom loving mamma bear who believes in capitalism and low taxes but they also happen to be from the most socialist state in the union where before quitting half way into their term they appeased their citizens by raising taxes on corporations and energy producers in order to increase the size of the socialist payout to the citizens of her great state. then she calls obama a socialist.

Or the fact that the "socialist takeover of health care", aka obamacare, is actually mitt romneycare from Massachusetts or the republican health care plan from 1993.

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and on and on and on...
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yeah, cause the liberals don't have conflicting and hypocritical stances like that around their ideology.




"Tu quoque" pretty much describes every single post you ever make about politics.
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"Tu quoque" pretty much describes every single post you ever make about politics.

doesn't make it any less true
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doesn't make it any less true

It's a logical fallacy, and thus a useless argument.
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It's a logical fallacy, and thus a useless argument.

so you say.

I just find the foaming at the mouth liberalism is just as retarded as foaming at the mouth religious right nutjobs. If you're so butthurt over that, or feel No one should be allowed to point out some of the hypocrisy of the left, then say so.
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dude, you can't be serious. let people do what the fuck they want to do with themselves, and let them say what they want to say, because at the end of the day it doesn't affect you.

fundamentalist christian authoritarian = redrum's idea of freedom
life under gaddahfi = redrum's idea of a political paradise
life in Somalia = redrum's idea of an economic paradise

And what the fuck are "family values"?
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side note: I think the states should be allowed to implement their own universal healthcare plans as they see fit. The federal cookie cutter approach doesn't always work across the board. In OR we got the Oregon health plan, in MA they got Romneycare, etc...

edit: From your posts I would have thought you were in favor of universal healthcare. MY MIND IS FULL OF FUCK!

AMEN!


I am also in full favor of states actually having say in their own business on all levels. At least that way all the people who regularly fall for the coorporate/republican jedi mind trick can have their own state... where they would of course still have to pay taxes but not actually get anything for it.
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and at the very least once the reps start to go full retard they present a united front and stick to their guns, even if the country burns around them.

You are right on the money with this one.

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i can respect that a lot more than i can years of circle jerking, and empty promises that people like you believe (HOPE CHANGE LOL)

No man, it's not respectable; it's scarry but should serve as an example for the wussy dems.

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at least the far right is pro male and pro family values. what else does the far left have to be offer me other than the command that i should hate myself for being a white male?


And the dems are AGAISNT family values? How did the Reps manage to convince people of this, I don't fully understand. I guess they equated the hatred for gays to mean family values. Another highlight of the IQ gap honestly.

What does the left have to offer? We have to unravel this elitist socialism and make sure people are getting the full benefit of their money. They are not right now. One quick example is having the most expensive healthcare system, while being nowhere near the top as far as quality. Why is it okay to subsidize oil companies, but not the doctor's office? Helping the community of average people is bad but it's fine to give community money to influential groups with great personal wealth?

More like why can't the republicans stop being coorporate sock puppets and yelling about jesus, freedom and homosexuality while plundering the country with tax cuts, coorporate subsidies and contracts..
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