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i agree with them in spirit but a lot of the people there have very statist leanings, which i don't like.

and of course, there is shit like this:

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too many just seem to be there for the facebook photos and the assertion of their hipsterdom, vaguely grumbling about corporations while drinking starbucks and tweeting about the revolution from their ipad
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it kind of all boils down to a crisis of character doesn't it. america was historically the country where people sacrificed the safety net of their ancestral homes for an opportunity to make a bit more money in a society with more opportunities to do, but with less margin for error. this was a fundamental part of america since the frontier days.

stronger social programs are of course a great thing if they can be paid for and are sustainable (not the case for example in PIIGS countries) but you have to remember this will always clash with the traditional identity of america of a nation of rugged individualists, where people migrate to on a gamble for a better life.

the notion of americans as rugged individualists is fucking stupid in this day and age. no one is eeking out a living on the land in the wild frontier anymore and they haven't for over a hundred fucking years.

you go to community funded schools on community funded roads protected by community funded firemen and police officers... etc etc etc.

if you think you are a rugged individualist in this day and age you are just deluded.
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way to completely miss the point and take the metaphor i used literally

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at least i know giboinous got it so there's no point in reexplaining myself
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Clearly the solution is to cut social funding when people need it the most, utterly devastating a large portion of the population and condemning it to multiple generations of poverty. Rather than giving them the means to contribute to the economy directly, to become a healthy workforce, and to invest in their own future through a quality education, we should simply let them bootstraps themselves out of their predicament. All it takes is a little determination and hard work. Anyone who fails can literally die in the streets because they are undeserving of life.

And once the riots start we can slaughter them with our hired guns.

Right?
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well there are riots left and right even after decades of generous social policy in europe, so your whole point is a non sequitur

and btw, when old union strikers were being fired at by hired guns of corporations 100 years ago, they hired their own guns to fire back, see: birth of the mafia

and if you want to talk about quality education you should focus your energies on bringing an end to the tuition industrial complex by sally mae (another government lender)
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whether or not a cfo at gold man sachs took home 10 million or 100 million as a bonus has little bearing on my life.

That's the thing, it does have impact on your life. If these people had reasonable salaries we would have more reasonable interest rates both for borrowing and for getting returns on investment.

What's the point of minimum wage laws and worker compensation if corporations are not penalized for moving to china? You know damn well that at $130 or so Nike shoes are not any cheaper than if they were made here - another classic example of how you get screwed.

Don't blame this shit on people borrowing when they were allowed to borrow or "liberal art majors" - blame the people that deregulated the loan process, ie the republicans with their deregulation nonsense. Blame the bush tax cuts and the war on terror hoax and the epic expenditures on occupation of multiple countries.

You're just a contrarian, and don't want to see the point... Since you love people who have more money than you so much, consider that in this corrupt atmosphere they get fucked too. By Madolf as one obvious example even though he was reported 7 times over almost a decade to the SEC for various incongruencies.

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I support this populist outratge.

quite frankly, it's about fucking time.

Amen. America was built on the idea of government working or us. Busting trusts and having nice roads. These protests are pointing the finger beyond Wall Street, and for better or for worse it's something even the psycho republicans can get behind too.


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This part of your post is the reason I studied physics. Even in a bad economy, I've seen a multitude of job offers at high tech companies get circulated around the department like wildfire, and yet the average dipshit that can't do sixth grade math is surprised and angry that they can't find a job outside of flipping my burgers. Well boo fucking hoo for you.



Not all people that are 100K in debt are retards, only the philosophy majors



If you lack the mental capacity to spell millionaires correctly, then you need to shut the fuck up, because you will NEVER be in that 1%, and neither will I. Time to pull your head out of your ass.

you got me man, i left out that damn 'e'

it doesnt take much to be a millionaire anymore. you just have to work hard and stop being a pussy
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yeah, you don't even understand the problem, do you?

when the total share of income that goes to 1% of the population more than doubles that leaves less income for the other 99% to squabble over.

the entire bottom 50% of the nation, 75 million households, takes in just 13% of all the income in the nation. the bottom 50% of everyone in the nation has to fight over HALF what the top 1% takes in.

it's not that americans are fat and lazy and overspending, it's that far too many are going to work till they die with nothing to show for it.

that bottom 50 also include the self-entitled pieces of trash who use EBT and lease rims for their cars, work 20 hours a week, then complain and say they want more shit handed to them.

the one thing about the mexicans i knew, is they fuckin worked. no complaining, no ting, but working 2 jobs, 80 hours a week on a kitchen line
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That's the thing, it does have impact on your life. If these people had reasonable salaries we would have more reasonable interest rates both for borrowing and for getting returns on investment.

what?


what??!??
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the notion of americans as rugged individualists is fucking stupid in this day and age. no one is eeking out a living on the land in the wild frontier anymore and they haven't for over a hundred fucking years.

you go to community funded schools on community funded roads protected by community funded firemen and police officers... etc etc etc.

if you think you are a rugged individualist in this day and age you are just deluded.
or you're a rugged invidualist.

Theres still plenty of ranchers and self sustaining farmers out there.

But theyre actually working. Not whining and holding up signs.
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Don't blame this shit on people borrowing when they were allowed to borrow or "liberal art majors" - blame the people that deregulated the loan process, ie the republicans with their deregulation nonsense. Blame the bush tax cuts and the war on terror hoax and the epic expenditures on occupation of multiple countries.

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dont forget the man who started it
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thre...ons_drive.html
clintons policy to give the american dream to all the lazy poor people. forcing banks to loosen their requirements to allow for the people who normally would not receive the financing to purchase their house.

everyone blames the people who sold off the mortgage backed securities for the collapse, but noone blames the people who didnt make their payments or took on a loan they could not afford
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1. term limits in congress.

2. If a person or corporation gave you money you can't work for them after your term limit is up, unless you were already working for them prior to your election.

3. Do not allow anonymous donations.

Those three things would end the corporate socialism we have going right now. We need new ideas, not more bitching without focus.
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Don't blame this shit on people borrowing when they were allowed to borrow or "liberal art majors" - blame the people that deregulated the loan process, ie the republicans with their deregulation nonsense. Blame the bush tax cuts and the war on terror hoax and the epic expenditures on occupation of multiple countries.

you mean bush and clinton who encouraged banks to give loans (loans that they agreed to guarantee if the loanees couldn't pay) out to people who otherwise wouldn't qualify because we needed more home owners among the poor? you mean how the average american household is over $20k in credit card debt, and the odds are they certainly didn't use this money to buy food staples, but bought worthless flat screen tvs and ipads? you mean how you can pretty much walk through the shittiest part of brooklyn and every one not only has the latest smart phone but several $200 pair of sneakers?

nobody wants to assume personal responsibility in life any more and that's a big problem i have with this ultra convenient scape goat of the 1%.

destroy the two party system, end the tuition industrial complex, reform/destroy all lobbying and special interest groups, allow banks to be very conservative with whom they loan out to, cut off the flow of illegal immigration, destroy both the republicans and democrats as they are both owned by corps and special interest groups. this will help the poorest of the poor a lot more than complaining about some trader on wall street who took home a ridiculous bonus last year.

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american workers are renowned around the world for being ultra lazy and ultra entitled, take a look at what germans do if you want to see true efficiency

as for how much money the top 1% are raking in, i don't concern myself with that too much. i just focus on making sensible decisions for myself by avoiding the purchase of while trying to save as much of my income as possible. whether or not a cfo at gold man sachs took home 10 million or 100 million as a bonus has little bearing on my life.

except for when they're bailed out of course. but both parties seem to love to do that.

the 1% make a convenient scapegoat. sure they're well connected scum, but they personally did not force you to piss away all of your income, they didn't force you to run $40,000 cc debt on consumer electronics, and they sure as hell didn't force you to take out a $200k student loan to study linguistics at vassar college...

Saving your income Tell me you've put it into some mineral of sorts (not gold)
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