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Which is not even remotely true. American workers are some of the most productive in the world. Some of the most creative too.

I don't want the guy making my car to be creative

When it comes to labour, Americans aren't even mentioned. - German for mechanical stuff, japs for tech, latino for cheap.
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Saving your income Tell me you've put it into some mineral of sorts (not gold)

>implying commodities markets aren't just as volatile as the stock market or FOREX
>saying fiat currency doesn't have any real worth but on the same time saying gold or silver is inherently valuable because it r shineey
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>implying commodities markets aren't just as volatile as the stock market or FOREX
>saying fiat currency doesn't have any real worth but on the same time saying gold or silver is inherently valuable because it r shineey

Derp.

Something usable, which isn't highly manipulated.

Gold is overrated, i prefer silver.
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fuck those people. they are the ones who chose their school, who chose their liberal arts degrees with no job market even in a good economy

what the FUCK happened the the American dream? a job is not a given right. the American dream was to work hard and go get yourself a damn job. you dont get one handed to you just because you took on 100k+ in debt like a rah-tard. fuck those self entitled douchebags

dont like being in the "99%"?? well fuckin do something about it
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/16/news...ires/index.htm
2010 had a 8% increase in millionairs. 2009 had a 16% increase

tell you what, i plan on puttin myself in that 1%

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

- John Steinbeck

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destroy the two party system

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destroy both the republicans and democrats as they are both owned by corps and special interest groups.

Hate to break it to ya.

This country has been run by the Corporatists since the mid 80's. It's seriously more of a one party state masquerading as a two party state.

Democrats, and Republicans? This exemplifies the idea analogy of illusion of choice; Just like Communist Russia.

Until the Corporations are firmly punted out of Washington, and justices with the likes of Scalia and Thomas aren't seated anymore, (that will likely be DECADES or more) nothing will change.

A start might be moving Government to being more Parlimentery, but as I understood it, there's room for cronyism/corruption there as well.
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"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

- John Steinbeck

Enjoy your delusion.

like i said, i plan on putting myself there


i was going to respond with a vince lombardi quote, but ill match your hippy writer with mine

“If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.” -Henry David Thoreau
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like i said, i plan on putting myself there


i was going to respond with a vince lombardi quote, but ill match your hippy writer with mine

“If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.” -Henry David Thoreau
Sure you are, chief. Keep on truckin'!
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Hate to break it to ya.

This country has been run by the Corporatists since the mid 80's. It's seriously more of a one party state masquerading as a two party state.

Democrats, and Republicans? This exemplifies the idea analogy of illusion of choice; Just like Communist Russia.

Until the Corporations are firmly punted out of Washington, and justices with the likes of Scalia and Thomas aren't seated anymore, (that will likely be DECADES or more) nothing will change.

A start might be moving Government to being more Parlimentery, but as I understood it, there's room for cronyism/corruption there as well.

lol

i'd argue that this country was controlled by corporatists since the mid 19th century.

the increase of the size and power of the federal government only makes it that much more apparent.

hell you can make an argument that the only reason the founding fathers broke from the crown was to increase their already bloated personal wealth.
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I don't want the guy making my car to be creative

When it comes to labour, Americans aren't even mentioned. - German for mechanical stuff, japs for tech, latino for cheap.

Common perception is pretty much worthless. The numbers say otherwise, Americans are damn good.

And obviously I wasn't saying the automotive workers had to be creative, rather than we have one of the best R&D cultures in the world because of those qualities in American workers.
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like i said, i plan on putting myself there


i was going to respond with a vince lombardi quote, but ill match your hippy writer with mine

“If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.” -Henry David Thoreau

It seems like every Republican plans on becoming a millionaire, and votes for policies that will help them when they (finally) become one. They seem to be forgetting to vote for anything that would actually make it more likely, or for anything that would make their life more tolerable if they fall short of that million.


Also silly to act like "hard work and not being a pussy" is enough to make one a millionaire.
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most of the poor who vote for republicans do so for their social/christian right platform and not fiscal platform
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the entire bottom 50% of the nation, 75 million households, takes in just 13% of all the income in the nation. the bottom 50% of everyone in the nation has to fight over HALF what the top 1% takes in.

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Here is why household income is a BS stat.

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none will be bigger or more often repeated, in the media as well as by politicians, than the lie that there is a widening income gap between the rich and the poor.

Why is that a lie, when there are so many statistics that seem to substantiate it?

Let's start at square one and take it a step at a time.

First of all, there is a fundamental difference between statistical categories and flesh-and-blood human beings.

When there is a growing disparity between one statistical category and another statistical category over time, that does not mean that there is a corresponding growing disparity between flesh-and-blood human beings over time, since human beings move from one statistical category to another.

The statistical categories in this case are income brackets. There is no question that incomes in the top income brackets have risen both absolutely and relative to the bottom income brackets.

The joker is that millions of people move from one income bracket to another.

The even bigger joker is that taxpayers whose incomes were in the bottom 20 percent in 1996 had a 91 percent increase in incomes by 2005.

Meanwhile, taxpayers in the top one-hundredth of one percent — "the rich" or "superrich" if you believe politicians and the media — had their incomes drop by 26 percent over those very same years.


Obviously, when millions of people's incomes nearly double in a decade, many of them move up out of the bottom income bracket. Similarly, when other people who were at the top see their income drop by about one-fourth, many of them drop out of that bracket.

When we talk about "the rich" and "the poor" we mean rich and poor human beings, not rich and poor statistical brackets. Yet politicians and the media treat people and statistical categories as if they were the same thing.

Part of the reason is that data on statistical brackets are more numerous and easier to find, whether from Census Bureau statistics or from a variety of other sources.

Data based on following actual flesh-and-blood individuals over time are, however, also available.

The statistics quoted above are from the Treasury Department, which has people's income tax returns, so it is no problem for them to follow the same people over the years.

You can check out the numbers for yourself in a November 13, 2007 report from the Treasury Department titled "Income Mobility in the United States from 1996 to 2005." You can find a summary of the same data in a Wall Street Journal editorial that same day.

These are not the only data that tell a diametrically opposite story from the usual political and media story that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.

A previous Treasury Department study showed similar patterns in individual income changes between 1979 and 1988.

Moreover, a study conducted at the University of Michigan, following the same individuals over an even longer span of time, likewise found most people moving from income bracket to income bracket over time — especially among those who began in the bottom 20 percent.

The University of Michigan Panel Survey on Income Dynamics showed that, among people who were in the bottom 20 percent income bracket in 1975, only 5 percent were still in that category in 1991. Nearly six times as many of them were now in the top 20 percent in 1991.

There was a summary of the University of Michigan data in the 1995 annual report of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, which also issued an excerpt titled "By Our Own Bootstraps."

Among the intelligentsia, it is fashionable to sneer at income mobility as a "Horatio Alger myth" — and, as someone once said, you cannot refute a sneer. But, among people who have not yet abandoned facts for rhetoric, it is worth stopping to consider whether they are being played for fools by politicians and much of the media.
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