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say that to the kids who grew up here LEGALLY at no fault of their own and are now $100k in debt, costs they will not be able to recuperate for a very very very long time.

Simple.

Don't go to a school that costs 100k and get a degree in medieval history?
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I have to read up on the CA version cause I'm only familiar with the national DREAM Act. In the meantime, enjoy:



this is shows the system to be MUCH better and more reliable than it actually is. for instance, MANTIS visa checks are excluded from it.
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Don't go to a school that costs 100k and get a degree in medieval history?

I can agree with that if there is a provision in the Dream Act that prevents illegals from doing the same thing WITH PUBLIC funding. Chicano studies is a close parallel to medieval history in the sense that it's a waste of resources.
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this is shows the system to be MUCH better and more reliable than it actually is. for instance, MANTIS visa checks are excluded from it.

A friend of my family was an immigration attorney for about 30 years, before leaving to go work for the LOC because he couldn't stand it anymore. Said they are some of the worst policies in the country
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this is shows the system to be MUCH better and more reliable than it actually is. for instance, MANTIS visa checks are excluded from it.

Protest the system and make it more efficient instead of bypassing it.
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Protest the system and make it more efficient instead of bypassing it.

are you implying that I am bypassing it?
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Protest the system and make it more efficient instead of bypassing it.

I'm sure the government will get right on that when they see a bunch of foreigners protesting about it.
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say that to the kids who grew up here LEGALLY at no fault of their own and are now $100k in debt, costs they will not be able to recuperate for a very very very long time.

How do you end up 100k in debt going to a state school?
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state schools have a cheaper tuition but their room and board costs are comparable to private colleges, in fact factor in room and board and the meal plan and miscellaneous costs and state schools are only on average $10k/year cheaper than private schools
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state schools have a cheaper tuition but their room and board costs are comparable to private colleges, in fact factor in room and board and the meal plan and miscellaneous costs and state schools are only on average $10k/year cheaper than private schools



Virginia has some of the more expensive state schools, and ain't nobody paying $20k+ a year to go to one. If it costs you $100k to get an in-state education, you either spent like eight years there, or you were doing some really nice drugs.
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I think it's a promising idea in theory, but it's going to piss off a lot of people for a very long time. I know that here in California, 80 or 90 percent of the people polled were against it.

It's a promising idea in theory like communism is a promising idea in theory. Unfortunately, the reality wasn't anything like the promise.


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There are 3 ways to tackle the problem of illegal/undocumented immigrants in our country: deportation, some form of amnesty (hopefully coupled with immigration reform), or ignore the problem. Deportation is completely unfeasible, and we can't just ignore 10-12 million people who live, work, and learn here.

There are more then 3 ways, and like most good solutions to complex problems a combination of different ways would work the best. Deport them all immediately? Yeah, that isn't feasible. But deporting every single one that has law enforcement contact (with exceptions of reporting crime, COOPERATION with the police as witnesses, etc). You can reduce their incentives to illegally cross the border and their incentive to illegally stay. Cut all any and ALL government services with the exception of emergency medically necessary medical care. Vigorously enforce harsh fines and sanctions for businesses that hire illegals. Make E-verify mandatory and make it more robust. Impound any car caught with an illegal at the wheel, instead of the catch and release programs foisted on police departments by pro-illegals groups. Make it a felony to enter the country illegally instead of the administrative violation it is now. Preclude any possibility of amnesty. Reagan tried amnesty in the 80's with just around 3 million illegals, and all that did was make illegal immigration that much worse. Now they think they can just invade in large enough numbers and have another amnesty. Or retake "Atlaztan" by force.

Here's a food for though vid for those who are so pro-illegal, watch and see if you noticed a few things:

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ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.


Here's what I got out of it:

1) couple here illegally here for 15 yrs....can't speak english

2) here for 15 yrs....pounded out 10 anchor babies. Be honest here, WHO paid for the medical bills of those babies? Check out what the effect of illegals birthing their kids is on an American hospital

3) how much did it cost the US taxpayers to educate those 10 anchor babies (still ongoing....for many years to come)

4) As of the vid both parents are unemployed. While technically they themselves cannot draw welfare, every single one of their anchor babies can. And who are the checks made out to? The illegals (parents) of course. LA county alone is dealing with a crushing expense of this type. Try multiplying that across the entire country and think of that when a pro-illegal counters "they can't get welfare!"

The reporter said the wife had worked in a restuaraunt, no doubt under the table for at least part of her paycheck, which means little taxes taken out. The husband worked construction, which means some American, like myself that works- DID work, in construction was replaced. Think of that next time you hear "they only take jobs Americans won't do!" which is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns since Goebbels hit his stride. Especially when you consider that even NPR's research showed only about 2% of illegals work in agriculture. The other 98% of the illegals work in other industustries, with restaurant service, and construction getting the lion's share.

And now, instead of reforming the legal immigration system to something rational and removing incentive and rewards for illegal immigration, Gov Moonbeam adds another of the many rewards for illegals.
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oh noes, american citizens can get welfare...

burn the constitution about it.

the problem with our health care costs is our health care system. For every illegal using the emergency room as their health care system there are many more poor americans doing the same.

illegals are a scapegoat.

and when those kids grow up and get jobs they will pay taxes into the system just like everyone else. and with ten of them they will pay more into the system than they took in the pittance that we call welfare.

grow the fuck up and realize that the poor people with no power are not the ones fucking you. they are just trying to survive like everyone else. the people who "tuk yer jerb" are millionaires in washington and business and other shady employers who hire illegals instead of you, not the fucking dude who just wants to eat who is willing to work for less than yuo.

ZOMG ILLEGALS, Go chase that bone around and ignore all the men pulling the strings behind the green curtain... that would be socialism, marxism, communism and any other words you might find scary. Don't do that, you don't want to be UNAMERICAN, DO YOU?
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and who is pro-illegal immigration? some of us just realize the illegals are not the problem. Our own policies are.

Ever hear of E-verify?

why isn't it mandatory for all employers? because lobbyists don't want it to be, not because mexican day laborers had anything to do with it.
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Pyramid has it right. The policy is the issue but any reform will likely worsen the scenario, not improve it. I see no reason that if someone is willing to learn English and make it their primary language, seek gainful employment and pay the same taxes as any other American that they can't be fast tracked as a permanent resident and get in line for citizenship. A majority of illegal-immigrants are only illegal because our system doesn't allow for them to legally gain employment, start their own businesses in order to pay the same taxes the rest of us citizens do presently. Seems it only took a couple hundred years for us to forget that very few on this soil are native to the North American continent and that we all IMMIGRATED here at some point or another from different countries.

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Being married to a foreigner, who's family invested nearly 2 million dollars into our economy only to still get shown the door due to an inexperienced immigration lawyer -- I can say this 'infographic' is very accurate. The process she and I have had to take has been costly and time consuming -- it's sad that it is the easiest route yet still sort of difficult. At the end of the day it is still worth it though. I can't imagine not having her by my side, nor not living here in the states where I grew up. Despite all the politics and other issues we face here, I'd still rather be in America than just about anywhere else.
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oh noes, some american citizens can get a 500 million dollar bonus at goldman sachs...

burn the constitution about it.

the problem with our banking bailouts is our banking bail out system. For every banker using the baliouts as their wealth care system there are many more poor small businesess taking advantage of SGA loans.

bankers are a scapegoat.

and when bankers retire and get old they will donate money into the system just like everyone else. and with ten of them they will pay more into the system than they took in the pittance that we call a bailout.

grow the fuck up and realize that the traders on wall street making $300k/year with no power are not the ones fucking you. they are just trying to survive like everyone else. the people who "are the 99%" are moron liberal arts stduents and tuition industrial complex and other shady politicans who bail out goldman sachs instead of you, not the fucking dude who just wants to eat caviar who is willing to work for more than yuo

ZOMG BANKERS, Go chase that bone around and ignore all the men pulling the strings behind the green curtain... that would be socialism, marxism, communism and any other words you might find scary. Don't do that, you don't want to be UNAMERICAN, DO YOU?

durr hurrr populism is okay as long as it doesn't conflict with what i read on moveon.org about how we should all worship illegal aliens

a few million migrant workers in the south west doing seasonal farm labor is no big deal....30 MILLION of them in every imagineable sector paying a neglible amount of tax while consuming the same if not more resources and being present in every part of the country is disastrous for poor americans
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