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Are you saying that the GOP is just trolling dumbass Americans like the Tea Party? Kind of like Poe's Law I suppose.
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And what about smaller states, they can just get overlooked if the electoral college wasn't set up the way it is.

Admittedly i'm European but I can't quite grasp the logic of this. The USA is 1 country right? What does it matter in which part of the country you live? We've got provinces, parts of countries that actually speak a different language etc yet we're all part of 1 country so we all get 1 vote to decide who runs it, regardless of how different our language or culture is.

You're telling me that just because you live in a particular "state" that state needs to have a say compared to bigger states? At what point does it become ridiculous? Let's say a state with 1 resident existed, why would it need to have a say in national matters just because it has the title of state?

I'm pretty sure public opinion and culture doesn't change suddenly at the state line, and even if it did, what does that matter when you're voting for leader of the country, not leader of the state? Because you happen to live in a state with few residents your personal vote is more valuable? How stupid is that? And anyway I think most of the small states are "ignored" regardless.

Still, I guess the biggest problem is the "winner takes all" idea. Ignoring the disproportional votes that states get, at least those should be divided up according to how the state votes. Ignoring a potential 49.99% of the vote in a state is more unfair than the whole electoral college thing itself.
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http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/r...ann-quotes.htm


I had a pic of her tweeting how she'd "turn the lights out in the department of education today if I could"

Removing electricity from those in charge of education is heading for the dark ages. This is just one, although very literal, example.
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Let's say a state with 1 resident existed, why would it need to have a say in national matters just because it has the title of state?

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Admittedly i'm European but I can't quite grasp the logic of this.

Then maybe you should just look up what the Electoral college is and why it was formed.
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Then maybe you should just look up what the Electoral college is and why it was formed.

OK, I can't grasp why it still exists.
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OK, I can't grasp why it still exists.

Because this way candidates only have to go and fight over a few key shitholes, ignoring the masses of people that will give up their votes in a highly predictable fashion. Neither side seems to mind it too much but you do get more liberals talking about changes like this one. The right wingers tend to stick with what they are used to. Even though historically that system has been changed several times, certain types like to view any action as 'desecration of the founding fathers' and all that jazz.
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OK, I can't grasp why it still exists.

It's a proxy voting mechanism just like every country in Europe has.

There is no western democracy in which direct popular vote elects the president/prime-minister.
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Admittedly i'm European but I can't quite grasp the logic of this. The USA is 1 country right? What does it matter in which part of the country you live? We've got provinces, parts of countries that actually speak a different language etc yet we're all part of 1 country so we all get 1 vote to decide who runs it, regardless of how different our language or culture is.

You're telling me that just because you live in a particular "state" that state needs to have a say compared to bigger states? At what point does it become ridiculous? Let's say a state with 1 resident existed, why would it need to have a say in national matters just because it has the title of state?

I'm pretty sure public opinion and culture doesn't change suddenly at the state line, and even if it did, what does that matter when you're voting for leader of the country, not leader of the state? Because you happen to live in a state with few residents your personal vote is more valuable? How stupid is that? And anyway I think most of the small states are "ignored" regardless.
You might want to compare the US more to the EU than any particular country. The US is the size of the whole continent of Europe after all. This element of voting (for President) is just one component of our federal system, designed to give the less populated states a little bit more importance than they'd have otherwise. Same deal with the Senate. It's all very deliberate.
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if everyone there thinks like you there is no wonder why it is a republican bunker.

how do you ever expect to get anything done if your default position is that of apathy and forfeit?

half the people who are eligible to vote in your state probably don't even bother because of that same thinking. if they actually bothered to get off their asses and do something they might find they were actually in the majority all along.

Likewise people voting for Democrats out of fear of Republicans is probably a big reason why the Democrat party has ossified or moved right on everything but "social issues" in the last ~50 years.
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I don't believe obama ever did promise a public option. perhaps you are confusing that with the public exchange which we did get.

It's almost like hes a capitalist controlled piece of shit baiting people with empty promises of progressivism and republican boogeymen?
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You might want to compare the US more to the EU than any particular country.

I know that in terms of structure that's probably a valid comparison. But in other ways it couldn't be more different. An American considers himself first and foremost American, from the USA regardless of the state they live in. And they are subject to federal laws. Everybody in it acknowledges the US president as the top dog.

A European will not normally answer the same question by "I'm a European". We will say what country we're from, and although the EU does have some influence on the laws of the sovereign countries inside it, we do not currently have the EU federal level that trumps all. And we do not have a European "boss" anything like the US president. We do vote for national parties obviously and most of us end up with coalitions in a multi party system. About as worthless for getting things done as their US counterparts of course. No FPTP systems except for GB IIRC.

The whole idea of the "union" in Europe was economic, though it's uncertain exactly what it will end up as after the dust from the current crisis has setteled.

Still, we almost all vote proportionally for those who directly govern us regardless of which province we are from. In Belgium we've got 3 distinct parts that speak a different language and are entirely different culture wise. Switzerland likewise. The UK somewhat likewise. The differences between those regions are bigger than the differences between most US states, but the little ones don't have any extra voting power and I don't see why they should have.
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That is such an old tired line of horse crap... What does Wyoming want that we don't? Feds told Montana to drop the speed limit from 80 to 65 and Montana bent over and did it. With the electoral college. It's an outdated non-concern fabricated by rednecks who didn't want to give up slavery. I support individual state rights, BUT this convoluted bureaucratic abortion we call a college is not saving them at all, is it?

Electoral college is not about state rights, it's about swaying global policy - specifically slavery at it's inception... so go ahead and keep making up shit about why it's a good thing



Read up you may learn something

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elector...%29#Background

YOU'RE the one who should be reading....that very passage you quote is a case AGAINST the popular vote

avoid mob rule is a huge reason why the electoral college is in place.

tl;dr us never was intended to be a democracy.
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At what point does it become ridiculous? Let's say a state with 1 resident existed, why would it need to have a say in national matters just because it has the title of state?

does reductio ad absurdum mean anything at all to you?

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State rights =/= electoral college

it obviously means nothing to him
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