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Careful. He's stuck in republican pretend land. If you snap him out of it too quickly he may actually die.


Oh lawdy, you claiming Gates is economically liberal??? Noice!!!
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Single-payer health care SAVES money. It doesn't punish tax payers. The only people who might "suffer" are the super rich who can afford the absolute best health care in the world, and under single-payer they'd still be able to buy private insurance which would enhance their care
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The problem is for profit health care. That's why hospitals charge $10k a night for a bed and your ambulance ride costs $1000 before you ever make it to the hospital. Our whole system is fucked right from the beginning when doctors leave medical school with $250k in debt.

And really, we did regulate health care somewhat with the health care bill and all republicans are talking about is repealing it so they can make their health care lobbyists and election funders happy.

also, illegals are not the ones making our health care so expensive. they are just a scapegoat for our fucked up system. there are twice as many uninsured americans driving up the cost of health care as there are illegals.

c'mon man.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying American's don't as well l- I'm not targeting illegals and saying they are the only problem by any means. But the fail logic is the idea of trying to force people to all have health insurance. Is that going to produce any more money than what we do now health care wise? Are we going to get any more contributions? Does everyone carry car insurance ????

Once again I say, that us legal tax payers are the ones dead center on the target - and I don't understand for the life of me how anyone can support that.
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<still waiting on those stats showing liberals donate to charities more than right wingers > You're good at this aren't you? Not addressing my simple request in all my posts - yet still responding is just more and more hilarious of how all liberals are. Empty headed and ignorant

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When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches — that a fair amount of that money isn’t helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires.

It’s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off.

You are absolutely right, Liberals should give more. We are just too damn busy paying for all those red states...



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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying American's don't as well l- I'm not targeting illegals and saying they are the only problem by any means. But the fail logic is the idea of trying to force people to all have health insurance. Is that going to produce any more money than what we do now health care wise? Are we going to get any more contributions? Does everyone carry car insurance ????

Once again I say, that us legal tax payers are the ones dead center on the target - and I don't understand for the life of me how anyone can support that.

Yes it will produce more money. More people covered means more people paying.

Are you THAT slow? I'm guessing you are what, 17 or something? Trying to assemble your dad's drunken babble into a real argument...
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>> New York Times
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That article looks totally legit, brah.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying American's don't as well l- I'm not targeting illegals and saying they are the only problem by any means. But the fail logic is the idea of trying to force people to all have health insurance. Is that going to produce any more money than what we do now health care wise? Are we going to get any more contributions? Does everyone carry car insurance ????

Once again I say, that us legal tax payers are the ones dead center on the target - and I don't understand for the life of me how anyone can support that.

How are tax payers in the cross hairs with single payer? You are currently paying for 4 different health care systems, three of which are already single payer.

1. Medicare (you don't get this till you are ~65) <--single payer, government run
2. Medicaid (you can't get this unless you are very poor) <--single payer, government run
3. Veterans health VHA/Tricare (you can't get this unless you are in the military) <--textbook definition of "socialized medicine", government run
4. The private system

If you put everyone in one single payer system which costs less than what we already pay you get a health care system that costs you less, not more. You might end up paying slightly more in taxes but when you subtract what you no longer need to pay for private insurance you come out ahead by a lot.

Single payer would also make your coverage not dependent on your job. It is portable between jobs and there even when you are out of work.

It also completely removes the costs of health care from employers... That's why it is far cheaper to build american cars in canada than it is to build them here.

It's seriously win win win win... all we need to do is get everyone over the idea of "ZOMG SOCIALSIM!!!1".
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Waiting on yours, cutey

Waiting on my what? I have yet to see a single link or fact out of you.

So far this is all you got

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That article looks totally legit, brah.



did you read it? it totally confirms that conservatives donate more to charity. I cherry picked one quite that dealt with the fact that most conservative giving is indeed to churches.
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GET A JOB YOU LAZY BUMS. STOP TAKING OUR HANDOUTS! YOU'VE CREATED A CULTURE OF ENTITLEMENT!!!1

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How does a mother fucker get fat? You gotta sit on the couch do nothing but eat and watch TV all day. White trash, poor mexicans and blacks all obese mother fuckers, see the white man has created a system with so much excess even poor mother fuckers are fat.

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I should watch that

You should. It makes me regret not joining the Marines when i was 18, a few months after 911, i woulda been in the shit! Oh well, low speed.

Lack of pussy is the root fuckin cause of all global instability
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did you read it? it totally confirms that conservatives donate more to charity.

I admire your effort, but he's going to ask the same question over and over and not a damn thing will change his mind...

He's a raiders fan ffs.

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