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so how common is it? i am not questioning that it happens, but i also have a hard time envisioning, you know, 80% of the people in the system abusing it like this. so how common is it?
That would be very hard to prove with stats, not to mention that such a survey would be considered very "un-PC". All I know is that the ignorant, know better but don't give a fuck, and those who deliberately have babies for a source of income all combine for the same result..
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That would be very hard to prove with stats, not to mention that such a survey would be considered very "un-PC". All I know is that the ignorant, know better but don't give a fuck, and those who deliberately have babies for a source of income all combine for the same result..

right... see, i think this goes back to the position i already mentioned - a bad thing happening at all is different from a bad thing happening with high frequency. the seriousness of the bad thing is important, but the frequency is not less important. which is why it's very hard for me to take a call to action seriously if it doesn't have the numbers behind it.

this is not denying, at all, that people occasionally cheat the system. that happens with all systems in the country. i mean fuck, the entire financial system regulation in the past 30-40 years is a perfect example of a system being beaten and taken advantage of (with taxpayers footing the bill) by people the system was supposed to serve in the first place. point is, i don't think collecting a set of statistics (even as simple as "fraction of people on welfare getting a another child in a given year compared to overall fraction of people of comparable age getting a child") would be politically incorrect here; in fact i think such statistics exist, but we just don't know about them. maybe vendetta will see this, he deals with that shit.
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If only we were so lucky for that to be rare.

I used to think it was when people told me about this kind of thing, until i met someone who has eight (yes, eight) kids, another one on the way, no job, has his rent paid by housing assistance, gets massive food stamps, and is proud of it.
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Oh look, it's a liberal advising how many children is appropriate? SOMEONE WANTS SOME OH SO FUN CHINESE CULTURAL OF LIMITATIONS BY THE GOVERNMENT EHHHH?
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Um, no. The people would be placing themselves under government control by taking government handouts. Dont take the hand out, dont get sterilized.

THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE TO THE POWER OF 5 BILLION. You will not fucking find a liberal here that can argue against this - nor a republican that won't agree with this.

This goes STRAIGHT in line with my point of driving. You have to obey the laws, test for a license, have inspections, etc... etc... because you are taking a handout on the roadways and such that cost a fuckload of money.
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THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE TO THE POWER OF 5 BILLION. You will not fucking find a liberal here that can argue against this - nor a republican that won't agree with this.

This goes STRAIGHT in line with my point of driving. You have to obey the laws, test for a license, have inspections, etc... etc... because you are taking a handout on the roadways and such that cost a fuckload of money.
im a republican and i dont agree with sterilizing people....
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im a republican and i dont agree with sterilizing people....

but a good hanging now, thats a different story amirite?
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im a republican and i dont agree with sterilizing people....

Sterlizing? Not quite here either I meant the simple concept that if you agree to something such as government assistance, you agree to government rules/regulations/testing that you otherwise wouldn't.

Here's a number of items I would have to consider:
-Testing for drugs / weed and allowing none (Hell, I pay the taxes and get tested, why aren't you welfare scum?)
-Testing for alcohol abuse
-Testing for violence
-Testing for parenting
-Testing for waste of money (Smartphone, waste of food, tv/internet, etc..)
-Testing for ciggarette smoking
-Testing for job applications
-Testing for what you are doing on a Friday night at 1:00 AM.
-Testing for education, ability to speak.
-Testing for legal citizen.
-Sterilize? I know I would if I was in power But no, even I can admit thats not realistic - much like hanging a baby raping slaughtering serial killer. Nope, rather let him rot for his life in prison all while we pay for it. Yup. Thats Muuuuuch smarter At some point you do need to determine that people are simply a waste of space and money though.



Once again, these are all off the top of my head - if you require government assistance, that is the one time that they should be able to do these types of actions. I'm not saying do one, many, or all of those above - I'm just naming random shit off the top of my head.

It's no different than agreeing to legally drive a car. Our government pays for the roads, maintenance, and our safety. The least you can do is some testing and agreeance to if you are safe to drive and is your vehicle being maintained properly. Don't like it? Don't agree to it. You won't be able to drive, but that's up to you.
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You're a fuckin nutcase, and I dont want to be associated with you, but i do agree that you shouldnt get public help (beyond drug treatment help) if you're hopped up on shit.

Or a criminal. 3 strikes law for people on public assistance maybe. You fuck up three times and your assistance goes away for a certain time period.

The waste of money is a good one too. People on food stamps with a brand new smart phones and 40 thousand dollar trucks piss me off to no end.
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but a good hanging now, thats a different story amirite?
i realize that was a jab, but i did used to be pro death penalty. Not so much now, i dont want certain people ever out in society again, but we dont need to kill em.

It costs fucktons more to keep em for life, but as long as theyre away from people so they cant hurt them anymore, thats good enough for me.

Id toss em all on a desert island and have them fend for themselves if it was up to me.
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Oh look, it's a liberal advising how many children is appropriate? SOMEONE WANTS SOME OH SO FUN CHINESE CULTURAL OF LIMITATIONS BY THE GOVERNMENT EHHHH?

I think it's funny that you call me a liberal, whatever that term is supposed to mean, but seriously, what the fuck are you even talking about? All I was trying to say was that I don't think the government should decide who should and shouldn't have kids....

just wow dude...

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unless humans radically change. A child bearing license is inevitable.

I don't see much of a problem with starting off with the same guidelines they use for adoption.

Unemployed drug addict is likely to be one of the Fail conditions. It's not so much a who but a why/when.
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unless humans radically change. A child bearing license is inevitable.

I don't see much of a problem with starting off with the same guidelines they use for adoption.

Unemployed drug addict is likely to be one of the Fail conditions. It's not so much a who but a why/when.

The most effective way to control birth rates is to have an educated and healthy populace.

edit: How would you enforce that anyways?
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You're a fuckin nutcase, and I dont want to be associated with you, but i do agree that you shouldnt get public help (beyond drug treatment help) if you're hopped up on shit.

Or a criminal. 3 strikes law for people on public assistance maybe. You fuck up three times and your assistance goes away for a certain time period.

The waste of money is a good one too. People on food stamps with a brand new smart phones and 40 thousand dollar trucks piss me off to no end.
Because having your food/housing paid for by the government allows you plenty of free time to sell a few bags of weed (or any other under the table cash business) to fund that kind of lifestyle.
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The most effective way to control birth rates is to have an educated and healthy populace.

edit: How would you enforce that anyways?
A child bearing license could just cover the basics, proving that you know what and what not to feed a baby, how to change diapers, laws pertaining to unattended infants/young children etc..

The hope is that if more people (men and boys included) had the reality of what they're about to do drilled into their brain.....it would make them think twice about careless barebacking.
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