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The most effective way to control birth rates is to have an educated and healthy populace.

edit: How would you enforce that anyways?

There are plenty of long term contraceptives. For males as well as females. And more could be researched/made safer.

It's inevitable that this will come to pass unless we have WW3 and fail to use nukes. Once we hit 13 billion people it's going to get a bit crowded.

If you have an unlicensed kid you would get permanently sterilized.
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You're a fuckin nutcase, and I dont want to be associated with you, but i do agree that you shouldnt get public help (beyond drug treatment help) if you're hopped up on shit.

Or a criminal. 3 strikes law for people on public assistance maybe. You fuck up three times and your assistance goes away for a certain time period.

The waste of money is a good one too. People on food stamps with a brand new smart phones and 40 thousand dollar trucks piss me off to no end.

How am I a nutcase? Read the post (to which you just agreed to 3+ on) - I didn't say I wanted all of those, most of those, or even part of those. That were just hot topics off the top of my head. Evaluating if any of those are reasonable is something I wasn't even considering. It was just topics in my head that I spewed out on my post without even evaluating if it's reasonable or not.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:23 PM s0me0nesmind1 is offline  
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I think it's funny that you call me a liberal, whatever that term is supposed to mean, but seriously, what the fuck are you even talking about? All I was trying to say was that I don't think the government should decide who should and shouldn't have kids....

just wow dude...

dotdotdot... I wasn't directing towards you. Sorry, I didn't quote the OP, but thats who it was target. Sorry broceritops, fist bump!!!

And no, I don't think you're a hardcore left side liberal
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:25 PM s0me0nesmind1 is offline  
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i realize that was a jab, but i did used to be pro death penalty. Not so much now, i dont want certain people ever out in society again, but we dont need to kill em.

It costs fucktons more to keep em for life, but as long as theyre away from people so they cant hurt them anymore, thats good enough for me.

Id toss em all on a desert island and have them fend for themselves if it was up to me.

So if you don't want them killed, do you want them to a LIFELONG leech of infinitely rotting in a cell, all while our tax dollars feed them, cloth them, put a roof over their head, and give them play time?

I realize prison isn't a fun place, but the simply point is that nevertheless we ARE paying for it. And really, can someone pull stats for how many prisoners end up returning? It's obvious not that big of a deterrent given how many return that you hear about IMO.
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Sterlizing? Not quite here either I meant the simple concept that if you agree to something such as government assistance, you agree to government rules/regulations/testing that you otherwise wouldn't.

Here's a number of items I would have to consider:
-Testing for drugs / weed and allowing none (Hell, I pay the taxes and get tested, why aren't you welfare scum?)
-Testing for alcohol abuse
-Testing for violence
-Testing for parenting
-Testing for waste of money (Smartphone, waste of food, tv/internet, etc..)
-Testing for ciggarette smoking
-Testing for job applications
-Testing for what you are doing on a Friday night at 1:00 AM.
-Testing for education, ability to speak.
-Testing for legal citizen.
-Sterilize? I know I would if I was in power But no, even I can admit thats not realistic - much like hanging a baby raping slaughtering serial killer. Nope, rather let him rot for his life in prison all while we pay for it. Yup. Thats Muuuuuch smarter At some point you do need to determine that people are simply a waste of space and money though.



Once again, these are all off the top of my head - if you require government assistance, that is the one time that they should be able to do these types of actions. I'm not saying do one, many, or all of those above - I'm just naming random shit off the top of my head.

It's no different than agreeing to legally drive a car. Our government pays for the roads, maintenance, and our safety. The least you can do is some testing and agreeance to if you are safe to drive and is your vehicle being maintained properly. Don't like it? Don't agree to it. You won't be able to drive, but that's up to you.

this was so dumb, I hope no one even seriously reads this
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this was so dumb, I hope no one even seriously reads this

Good, because obviously you didn't. Sorry, I didn't type a handicap section
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So if you don't want them killed, do you want them to a LIFELONG leech of infinitely rotting in a cell, all while our tax dollars feed them, cloth them, put a roof over their head, and give them play time?

I realize prison isn't a fun place, but the simply point is that nevertheless we ARE paying for it. And really, can someone pull stats for how many prisoners end up returning? It's obvious not that big of a deterrent given how many return that you hear about IMO.

Given the necessity of a rigorous appeals process, it's pretty much always going to be cheaper to imprison rather than execute. It's an option of last resort, for people who have demonstrated that they're just irredeemably beyond societal norms.
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Given the necessity of a rigorous appeals process, it's pretty much always going to be cheaper to imprison rather than execute. It's an option of last resort, for people who have demonstrated that they're just irredeemably beyond societal norms.

And unless it was acceptance of guilt, you think there isn't going to be just as much of an appeals process for a lifetime verdict???
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Good, because obviously you didn't. Sorry, I didn't type a handicap section

No I kind of stopped midway through, when you went full retard and you could clearly see it's not going to end. I almost thought it's an ironic post but you're a moron so that was excluded.

I mean some of that shit you wrote is seriously so fucking retarded, it's an insult to retarded people to call them retarded. What the fuck, jesus
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And unless it was acceptance of guilt, you think there isn't going to be just as much of an appeals process for a lifetime verdict???

We don't exactly have to guess. In real life, capital murder cases are far more expensive than life in prison cases. Case closed, no speculation needed.
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No I kind of stopped midway through, when you went full retard and you could clearly see it's not going to end. I almost thought it's an ironic post but you're a moron so that was excluded.

I mean some of that shit you wrote is seriously so fucking retarded, it's an insult to retarded people to call them retarded. What the fuck, jesus

Funny, everyone else saw quite a decent topic to debate. But like I said - I don't write handicap posts. Perhaps you should try the end of the post? It explains in good detail, why that listing was made
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Yeah, I'm just about to roll a 14-page essay for you why you're fucking retarded. I'm going to make the first chapter discussing why you're fucking retarded for wanting to save government pennies by actually testing welfare recipients for cigarette smoking, and chapter 2 will probably work on you finding a TV to be a luxury item in 2012.

Oh well, a dumbshit american dream idealist hoping for an orwellian state, nothing new here....
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the govt doesn't pay for roads and bridges, the people do. the same goes for govt assistance.
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the govt doesn't pay for roads and bridges, the people do. the same goes for govt assistance.

the suggested piss tests performed on welfare recipients are going to be paid by the laboratory piss gargling fairy because 40 dollars a pop (estimate?) cost certainly is going to save someone's money
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Ironically, the solution to all the problems listed here as reasons for cutting/limiting welfare is, in fact, more social spending
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