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diabeetus can make ya fat with no recourse.

And?

I don't buy that. Maybe in extreme cases.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:46 AM OneWhoKnows is offline  
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Seriously though, is no one concerned about how regressive this tax would be? The people least able to afford to lose weight would be the ones paying the highest price.

Maybe I can see increasing taxes on sugary foods, although it would still be somewhat regressive. Explicit shaming doesn't work, as being called fatass doesn't exactly motivate most people (I would know from experience), but you can increase educational campaigns to raise awareness about the dangers of obesity, eating too much shitty food etc etc a la all the anti-smoking PSAs. Few kids in my generation smoke because they fear negative judgment by their peers - they would rather conform and become a part of the group, so the financial cost of smoking doesn't matter as much as its implicit social consequences. If we create a pro healthy-living culture that applies to everyone rather than one that shames fat people then maybe we'll see similar results.

Also, what Patriot Eagle said.
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diabeetus can make ya fat with no recourse.

You talking juvenile or Type 2? Most Type 2 diabetes (~95% of all cases) are related to obesity or overeating.

I know a lot of Type 1 (juvenile) diabetics have a hard time getting super lean because of the exogenous insulin, but it doesn't make you fat either.
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Parents who have grossly overweight kids that aren't due to some genetic defect or disease are negligent and abusive.


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Seriously though, is no one concerned about how regressive this tax would be? The people least able to afford to lose weight would be the ones paying the highest price.


Since when does it cost money to go outside and go for a walk / jog and make healthy eating decisions? X eleventy = 5ive
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Preventive health care programs across the country are trying to legislate for taxes on sugary drinks, given the stronger contributions to obesity and diabetes. I believe similar attempts are being made for other food types. There are issues with regressivity, but if I had to guess it's something I would expect to see within a couple of years, at least locally. As for your fat people tax, I'd love to know how you plan on validly measuring that for an entire population on a yearly basis.

In our local school district and as far as i know all across CA sales of Soda and candy bars were banned.


Nazi CA I know but I support these ideas. It was Arnold's ideas but they literally sell apples and carrot sticks now instead of Honeybuns and Cherry Cokes.

Kids have to bring that shit from home now if they want it.
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Since when does it cost money to go outside and go for a walk / jog and make healthy eating decisions? X eleventy = 5ive

He's referring to a regressive impact of an unhealthy food/drink tax, and he is right.
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Since when does it cost money to go outside and go for a walk / jog and make healthy eating decisions? X eleventy = 5ive

Since healthier foods cost more than processed foods
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In our local school district and as far as i know all across CA sales of Soda and candy bars were banned.


Nazi CA I know but I support these ideas. It was Arnold's ideas but they literally sell apples and carrot sticks now instead of Honeybuns and Cherry Cokes.

Kids have to bring that shit from home now if they want it.

Not surprising, you see that in a lot of school districts. A bunch of programs are trying to incorporate more physical activity into the school day as well.
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Since healthier foods cost more than processed foods

doesnt mean you have to buy the super large bigmac with an extra side of chicken nuggets. grilled chicken sandwiches from fast food joints are just as cheap and way healthier than the burgers
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Not surprising, you see that in a lot of school districts. A bunch of programs are trying to incorporate more physical activity into the school day as well.

We ran out of money following the Enron multi-billion dollar butt raping we received for "pre-purchasing electricity" so they stopped running school buses for all but elementary kids. This does have the positive side effect of more exercise, i see a LOT more of them walking now.

Anyway I was surprised how smoothly the whole no candy/no soda thing went over but I figured it's because it's CA where you will be shot on sight by trained snipers for smoking indoors and everyone owns at least three treadmills although it's 75F outside in January.

I can imagine this might be a real sore subject in some communities though.
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doesnt mean you have to buy the super large bigmac with an extra side of chicken nuggets. grilled chicken sandwiches from fast food joints are just as cheap and way healthier than the burgers

I'm pretty sure they are not as cheap on average. Specifically, we've done studies that show sugary beverages and multiple junk foods are priced significantly higher in high consumption/low income neighborhoods compared to high income ones. And further, couple the prices with an overall lack of awareness of the relationship between various foods and chronic disease etiology, and you've got a bit of a pickle.
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We ran out of money following the Enron multi-billion dollar butt raping we received for "pre-purchasing electricity" so they stopped running school buses for all but elementary kids. This does have the positive side effect of more exercise, i see a LOT more of them walking now.

Anyway I was surprised how smoothly the whole no candy/no soda thing went over but I figured it's because it's CA where you will be shot on sight by trained snipers for smoking indoors and everyone owns at least three treadmills although it's 75F outside in January.

I can imagine this might be a real sore subject in some communities though.

It can be a political nightmare, this is true. Definitely not the hardest battle though, because the "omg save the kids" factor. The statistics show far more support for beverage/food taxes if the money is used to help prevent/control obesity for kids/families than if it was a regular old tax, for example.
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Studies have shown there's no reduction in obesity rates from removing vending machines. Obesity happens at home and lots of kids still get really poor examples from their parents.
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