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What if surviving is not really the most beneficial thing to humanity at this point?

For the longest time, actually for all of existence we have known through anything, the objective has been survival. For your species, for the collective soul of a common physical manifestation to live on, the primary thing they had to do was survive, to live. If one of them died, this could be a great tragedy to the advance of the species. A species wanted as many healthy, able copies of themselves as they could possibly get. This instinct lived on through early man, early civilization, and early religion. Religions are all primarily methods to maximize reproduction, and keep people alive and going, because this was absolutely necessary for humanity to progress. It was for the good of humanity that everyone live.

But this isn't so much true anymore. Everyone living isn't necessarily a positive thing to collective humanity. What if instead of skillfully lived lives, what if skillfully placed deaths are actually equally as important to the advancement of humanity at this point in time. We have enough people that everyone living isn't really the primary need for our survival, we have enough numbers.

If you think about Christianity, Catholicism, and their view of death and suicide. It is ultimately seen as bad. Suicide results in punishment from western religious viewpoint. Because those western religions were intended to keep you alive and working and reproducing. They would brainwash people into believing death was so horrible, suicide was so horrible, and brainwash everyone into thinking they had to keep everyone else alive and going, no matter what the cost. Staying alive and continuing to work was the objective of these western religions because they were intended to enslave peoples minds, make them docile, and make them productive servants. A dead servant is no good, so it was these religions objective to avoid that at any and all costs. Make the servants fear death, and make them fear suicide, so they will continually accept worse and worse conditions of existence because death is something horrible, suicide is a horrible fate, resulting in great punishment in the after-life. Keep yourself alive, and in shittier conditions or be punished if you commit suicide, or if you die not doing what we tell you to do! That was the creode of western religion, and really this creode lives on in western society all throughout.

All of western society thinks suicide is horrible, if someone talks of suicide its a big taboo, people are horribly hurt and offended. Everyone thinks they must keep everyone else going no matter what, even if they are old and want to die, because suicide is so terrible. This whole instinct comes from western religion. It's left-overs of christian and catholic meta-programming.

Look here and compare the abrahamic religions (judaism, christianity, islam, what I usually refer to with the term 'western religions'), compare them to the indian religions (buddhism, hinduism, what I usually refer to as 'eastern religions').
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_suicide

Abrahamic Religions
Judaism - Suicide is generally forbidden by Jewish law.
Christianity - death by suicide is considered a grave or serious sin
Islam - Islam, like other Abrahamic religions, views suicide as one of the greatest sins and utterly detrimental to one's spiritual journey.

Indian Religions
Hinduism - Hinduism accepts a man's right to end one's life through the non-violent practice of fasting to death, termed Prayopavesa. But Prayopavesa is strictly restricted to people who have no desire or ambition left, and no responsibilities remaining in this life.
Jainism - Jainism is one religion that permits suicide with restrictions. Jain munis & elderly have been known to starve themselves to death
Buddhism- tales like these point to a Buddhist belief that suicide may be acceptable ("good") if it will lead to non-attachment.

Straight cut down the middle, all western religions that revolve around reading books, reciting prayer and listening to sermons as central spiritual process. The western religions that are based on beliefs, based on brainwashing, based on enslavement, and following orders. They all condemn suicide, no exceptions.

While all eastern religions that revolve around inner contemplation and meditation as central spiritual practice. That base their objectives on liberation and enlightenment. They have areas that accept suicide. Because they don't exist purely to entrap a soul, they accept that a soul may wish to leave.

The view that suicide is always bad and wrong stems from western religion. There isn't anything inherently spiritually crushing about it.

I think western culture as a whole needs to accept that we have created a structure that is not suitable for all human life, and we shouldn't be scolding people, or making them feel so terrible about the prospect of suicide if they want to kill themselves. Like how some people step out of a movie theater because they don't like whats playing, this is how western culture should view suicide. They simply belonged in another dimension.
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But this isn't so much true anymore. Everyone living isn't necessarily a positive thing to collective humanity.

this here pretty much invalidates everything you have to say. this concept isn't a new thing and society as it is today is not unique in having people that are a drain on it.
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The view that suicide is always bad and wrong stems from western religion. There isn't anything inherently spiritually crushing about it.

try losing someone you're close to sometime.
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this here pretty much invalidates everything you have to say. this concept isn't a new thing and society as it is today is not unique in having people that are a drain on it.

It wasn't my objective to present a new concept, it was my objective to put more context to an already existing one and see what you guys brought back. Seriously what is with you attempting to claim I am trying to do something, then saying I didn't do that so I am wrong? Is that really your idea of an intelligent argument? Nothing I say relies on the need for this to be 'novel' for it to be validated.

And I do think society is unique today vs 4000 years ago in more tribal conditions.

4000 years ago our condition was greatly improved by women having 4+ children each, more people to do work, to make stable communities

now our condition is greatly improved if each woman had no more than 1 child.
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It wasn't my objective to present a new concept, it was my objective to put more context to an already existing one and see what you guys brought back. Seriously what is with you attempting to claim I am trying to do something, then saying I didn't do that so I am wrong? Is that really your idea of an intelligent argument? Nothing I say relies on the need for this to be 'novel' for it to be validated.

And I do think society is unique today vs 4000 years ago in more tribal conditions.

4000 years ago our condition was greatly improved by women having 4+ children each, more people to do work, to make stable communities

now our condition is greatly improved if each woman had no more than 1 child.

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It wasn't my objective to present a new concept, it was my objective to put more context to an already existing one and see what you guys brought back. Seriously what is with you attempting to claim I am trying to do something, then saying I didn't do that so I am wrong? Is that really your idea of an intelligent argument? Nothing I say relies on the need for this to be 'novel' for it to be validated.

And I do think society is unique today vs 4000 years ago in more tribal conditions.

4000 years ago our condition was greatly improved by women having 4+ children each, more people to do work, to make stable communities

now our condition is greatly improved if each woman had no more than 1 child.

Why would our condition greatly improve? You keep repeating that without any explanation or justification.
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Why would our condition greatly improve? You keep repeating that without any explanation or justification.

He's one of those people that think Earth's reached its limit for how much life it can support, and if we killed off a bunch of people, life would be so much better. Personally, if we started punching off these baby boomers, life might actually get better. Think of all the jobs that would create.

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He's one of those people that think Earth's reached its limit for how much life it can support, and if we killed off a bunch of people, life would be so much better. Personally, if we started punching off these baby boomers, life might actually get better. Think of all the jobs that would create.

Hell, I should be President!

just wait 10 years.
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