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Think about it. All these poor bastards were coddled to believe they were infallible. It almost seems to me that they were never allowed to take responsibility for their mistakes (until now, when they have to get a jerb). And they've essentially been lied to their whole lives until the truth hit them in the face. Lied to by their parents, their teachers in grade school and high school, themselves, their friends, anyone who ever told little Johnny that he was a winner all because he finished dead last in a race. Then, it's bad form for you to get pissed off at yourself for coming in last. We don't like anger at all.

So, a combination of PC weenies, parents telling their children that they're special so much they even brainwash themselves into thinking it, and these poor little fucks that had to go through that... abuse, now have all manner of psychoses.

I submit we have a mental illness epidemic of biblical proportions on our hands. It's not that they're crazy. It's this political correctness movement that is significantly altering our reality to the point where people become non-functioning, on both sides of the argument. We're a country full of sick puppies, and we've got nukes. Lots of 'em.

Whatever psychotic condition you and and most Americans have that leads to this self flagellation of blaming workers (themselves) for massive shifts in economic conditions beyond their control if far more worrying than anything OWS has produced.
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Damn this PC pussy brainwashing! If only those fa.ggots could toughen up and get some damn work done. Well, time to go back to my shitty dehumanizing job where I make a third of what I would if it weren't for globalization, union crushing, and sloughing off profits to the obscenely rich elite. This is the way the world should be and is really cool
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I was born in 82, so I am unsure what it was like in the 60-70's.....but this movie to me is amazing for the time it was made.
I can't tell if this is an ironic response to the OP or not.
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Because I supported it. Even though it was doomed to fail, it did prompt debate about inequality and it somewhat raised class consciousness. I bet the Romney campaign is a lot more hesitant about releasing his tax returns than it would have been if it weren't for OWS. It'd be interesting to see how the election would be different if OWS were still going on
OWS was just a symptom and hasn't really changed anything, now there is a backlash against any kind of leftist populist movement lol. It was way too neboulous and dis organized to accomplish anything and the media was de legitimizing it from day one. I don't disagree that some of its goals were agreeable though.
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so everyone who is on drugs is depressed eh. Im glad you're such an expert at sweeping generalizations.

Also. Are you depressed? Because drugs have fucked you up more than 90% of these people.

I never got addicted to drugs. I would just occasionally travel to alternate dimensions ny utilizing ancient shamanic technologies.

but everyone who I have encountered who is uselessly addicted to a drug, really the root of the issue is some sort of depression, caused by either trauma in some way, or just general hopelessness and lack of purpose.

On the flip side I know highly productive people who do alot of drugs.

My point is just primarily that drug addiction, and being useless to society, the pre-eminating cause is really some form of depression. The issue of deadbeats isn't an issue of innate human nature, it's an issue of a culture that causes intense depression in people. There won't automatically always be a #4 a group that just replicates itself and leeches and is useless in every system, only certain system will manifest a #4 and our current one does.
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You're out of your fucking mind, or trolling. I'm still not sure which.

1) Your definition of basic needs, and what basic needs REALLY are, are a far cry off from each other.

2) You think if people didn't HAVE to shovel shit, work 18 hour days on the farm, clean toilets, throw garbage into the back of a truck <insert shitty job here) that they would? I give you credit for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but there is no fucking way that's happening. Never mind people not working AT ALL because they didn't have to, but the basic jobs (the "dirty jobs" if you will) would NOT fucking get done. If they did, it's because someone came along and said "damn...we really need this done. We'll pay you a shit ton of money to do it." (Which is the case for many things, now.)

we would basically need to come up with automated, roboticized, processes to take care of all the shitty work
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The generations before the PC movement were generally pretty awful (i.e. a bit more awful than X and Y) and I'm not sure why anyone would be nostalgic for them except for the stupifying propaganda that human beings need an "edge" created through systematic social systems of violence and bigotry like rabid dogs in a cage match.
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I believe that the intuitionthat you should have your basic needs met, always, is a correct intuition that most OWS people have.

You should never have to worry about losing your small studio apartment, losing a cheap car, not getting proper food, and not getting basic healthcare. These basics should be provided for. No one should be living on the streets, and no one should have to eat bad food, and no one should be suffering needlessly from easily corrected health problems, and no one should have to bust their balls to get adequate transportation.

But the way OWS is going about trying to accomplish this is absolutely retarded.

I've actually gone back and forth on this opinion alot. At one point I used to think, fuck no, if you don't work and don't make it, you starve in the streets. Then at another point I would hold the opinion I just expressed, that basics should be provided by a system. I've gone back and forth between these two opinions alot, and ultimately decided that the system where all basics would be provided would be a far better system all around for everyone, because if everyone had basics covered this would primarily do three things:
1. Make people alot less afraid to fail, and more likely to take risks. People would be more willing to invest all they got in attempting to try something, making new businesses, coming up with new ideas. Whatever. This would also have the effect that really shitty employers could not exist. If someone is a shitty employer, the employees would always have the option to quit. No one would ever have to undergo demeaning work and psychological abuse that shitty employers often force people into. This would make it so that the market is no longer controlled and driven by fear, it would instead be controlled and driven by what people actually like, what people actually need, what is actually good for humanity. It will allow us to evolve faster.
2. With that lower the overall stress and tension and 'survival mode' state of mind people exist in will be lessened considerably. Lower stress, lower tension, not being in survival mode or other lower states of consciousness will ultimately produce a much more intelligent and creative culture. Ultimately making a much better problem solving culture, and a much more capable culture. This will also most likely radically lower crime, and with lowered stress radically lower overall health care costs, and bad habits people develop from stress.
3. Such a system would turn everyone into rabid consumers. If you never had to worry about covering your rent, car, or food, the only reason you would work, or create, is to buy other things, spend money on other things. This would make the economy churn much much quicker, and allow all those 'riskier' business ideas, and creative business endeavors to have a much greater shot of making it somewhere.

Really I think Valve Software is an ideal prototypical culture for the future...
http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abras...at-im-doing-2/

Valve has generally demonstrated that if you take off the stress, take off the pressure, and simply provide the necessary base resources, people will naturally organize themselves into creative processes and creation of value.

I know someone probably thinks "but who is going to pay for all of that?" Well if we stopped spending on war, and killing people, there would easily be enough to cover everyones basic needs. Just divert the military budget to being the peoples basics needs budget. If you we could just figure out how to stop killing each other, and actually effectively listen and communicate to one another everyone could literally be living in some kind of paradise.
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Banging drums, shitting on park benches and raping stoned girls in a make-shift tent might also be considered tough work I guess...

Those faggots can't compare to the raping and murdering done by the pros. Hooah. Army strong.
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ITT: The intellectual level of the liberals here.

Thats pretty spot on, except americans oppose socialism because they have been taught to fear a word without even knowing what it means.

Also, the largest demographic supporting Romney is non-college educated white males... so there's that.
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pretty much....




yeah, those rich people are really losing because they still have to pay taxes on all their profits.

I can see them now, sobbing into their piles of money.
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we would basically need to come up with automated, roboticized, processes to take care of all the shitty work

So, your solution to unemployment is robots? You're a credit to your Local 514.
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number 4: Create a large self perpetuating class that lives "on the Dole", producing nothing but more members for this class, consuming ever more resources w/o contributing to the system that provides those resources. Eventually they consume more then the contributors produce (or what is taken from the producers). The system then collapses.

Thanks Ayn Rand. Fun fact about Ayn Rand, as soon as she was able to, she jumped on SS and Medicare because she had cancer.

http://www.alternet.org/story/149721...he_needed_them

Also, that large permanent underclass of moochers... Yeah, only 8% of the population receives welfare andor food stamps and only 1.7% of the population receives more than 50% of their income from welfare.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_perce...are_on_welfare


Did you think the 47% number the republicans are always screaming about was the number of people "on the dole"?
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Thanks Ayn Rand. Fun fact about Ayn Rand, as soon as she was able to, she jumped on SS and Medicare because she had cancer.

http://www.alternet.org/story/149721...he_needed_them

Also, that large permanent underclass of moochers... Yeah, only 8% of the population receives welfare andor food stamps and only 1.7% of the population receives more than 50% of their income from welfare.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_perce...are_on_welfare

And we wouldn't need any of it if both sides (rich vs. poor/middle class) gave a little. Rich people don't need that much money. Poor people don't work all that long to get it, unless they're constantly pulling mandatory overtime and such.

Even then, the system would work better if the executives took less pay, paid their employees a little more, and pay more people to do a normal day's work. That leaves them with leisure time to go run back and spend the money they just earned on the stuff they just made, or helped to support making.

Except somewhere along the way, we thought robots were a better way to go. Never mind the overall net loss you created by having to support the people who would otherwise have the job you gave to a robot, and contribute part of their paycheck back to the company to buy the product they just produced. You have profits to make here. So, here's to you, mister short sighted, money grubbing corporate CEO. Your mastery of macroeconomics is truly something that is beneficial for everyone.
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Thanks Ayn Rand. Fun fact about Ayn Rand, as soon as she was able to, she jumped on SS and Medicare because she had cancer.

http://www.alternet.org/story/149721...he_needed_them

Also, that large permanent underclass of moochers... Yeah, only 8% of the population receives welfare andor food stamps and only 1.7% of the population receives more than 50% of their income from welfare.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_perce...are_on_welfare


Did you think the 47% number the republicans are always screaming about was the number of people "on the dole"?

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