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1. end the wars
2. cut military budget in half
3. Remove all overseas bases unless they (the residing country) pay us to be there
4. End all subsidies

Bam just fixed all our budget problems and then some. We could pay for health care for every man, woman, and child 3 times over.

Simple and effective I love it.

Thats the one thing I fully agree with Ron paul on is his foreign policy.
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Not at all. You're throwing money at a problem rather than fixing it and you think it's going to get better?



Ok, perhaps I can put it into perspective with this:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/...ph?sc=fb&cc=fp



A shrinking military budget allocation and a rapidly increasing social spending one. All we are going to do is spend more and more while not actually fixing the real problem, the always increasing cost of medical care. A simple non-emergency ride in an ambulance can cost more than $1,000. A stay at a hospital can cost $3,000 a night. A tonsillectomy costs $5,000-6,000. I've paid $900 for an ER visit where they basically said "we don't know what's wrong, but here's a steroid shot". My gf's friend had her baby a few months early and incurred over $150,000 in hospital bills. Surely you can see the problem with this. Fix it and we won't need programs like these.



So we should go to a 100% private system?

Where has that ever worked before anywhere in the world?

We already have the most expensive system thanks to our public private mishmash and how much we have profitized our health care. Why should we go further in that direction with no evidence to suggest that even works?
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Never mind that the vast majority of your beloved Democrats were fully behind invading Afghanistan (which must be included in your retarded rants about needless foreign wars) and many were even behind Iraq...including a couple of past (and possibly future) Presidential candidates who were privvy to intel that the average American citizen was not..

Not that it makes any difference to your very narrow brain, but simply disagreeing with some of the policies coming out of Washington doesn't make one racist, or mean that they're "Republican", "Teabagger" or listen to any of the so-called conservative figureheads you guys like to mention all the time in an effort to make yourself seem superior..

If you aren't smart enough to figure it out, I'll spell it out for you..
The reason why you hear so much about Palin, Beck, Bachmann, Limbaugh etc..is because the media LOVES to keep the spotlight on people like that (not to mention people like yourself)....entertaining for both liberals and conservatives alike. I know several diehard registered Republicans and none of them ever mention the names you like to put out there as representing conservative America...unless it's something like "I wish those people would just go away"

I dislike those who didn't stand up for what is right but you can't possibly imply that the whole quagmire of in the middle east was EQUALLY pushed for by both parties... You're out of your damn mind.
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wars are a bipartisan endeavour, as is military spending. the two parties are like a wrench tightening the screws on taxpayers. the republicans are the arm of the wrench, and the democrats are the ratchet. two sides of the same coin. etc... you watch south park you should know this

I don't watch south park and i certainly wouldn't derive any political information from it.

They do have a funny episode once in a blue moon, maybe 1 for every 8. But that's all it is, it's humor and they don't want to alienate anybody so how can you expect them to take a stance? It's always neutral nonsense like "shit sandwich vs turd sausage" or whatever. Understandable but not respectable.

They present the concept of "lesser evil" as unexcuseable, whereas in real life nothing is ever perfect and you'll be making compromises for the rest of your natural life. From the woman you marry to the car you buy to your house to the politicians you vote for.
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As in Obama isn't perfect but he's not just "better" as a candidate than Romney/Bush, he's in a totally different league. At least the things he represents make sense on paper.

The shit that republicans come out with simply boggles the mind.


Start wars, cut taxes in one step. Debase Romneycare as Obamacare. Cut MORE taxes. Etc. Then complain about the deficit under Obama.... It's amazing that anyone takes them seriously.
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So we should go to a 100% private system?

Where has that ever worked before anywhere in the world?

We already have the most expensive system thanks to our public private mishmash and how much we have profitized our health care. Why should we go further in that direction with no evidence to suggest that even works?

What I was saying was that you need to fix the reasons for the inflated costs. If a person is in an non-immediate life threatening state for example they need to prove that they can afford the care first. Tons of hospitals have gone bankrupt and closed down because hospitals are not allowed to turn people down and then people skip out and never pay a dime. This is particularly a problem in southern states with high immigrant populations. Hold people accountable for their bills, let hospitals say no, and costs will lower. Other issues would be the extreme high costs of privatized services and medical supplies. Caps need to be placed by the govt on essential medical services.
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What I was saying was that you need to fix the reasons for the inflated costs. If a person is in an non-immediate life threatening state for example they need to prove that they can afford the care first. Tons of hospitals have gone bankrupt and closed down because hospitals are not allowed to turn people down and then people skip out and never pay a dime. This is particularly a problem in southern states with high immigrant populations. Hold people accountable for their bills, let hospitals say no, and costs will lower. Other issues would be the extreme high costs of privatized services and medical supplies. Caps need to be placed by the govt on essential medical services.

If those hospitals were reimbursed by the government then obviously they wouldn't go out of business. How do we come up with the money? Well stop throwing it away for one.

Having everyone covered by some sort of public option insurance would be a good step in the right direction. People pay taxes no matter what - we're not discussing that. What we're discussing is the misappropriation of those taxes on things that do not concern US citizens.

And yet we're on the verge of repeating the same mistakes in Iran.
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People act as if you oppose the Republicans you must therefore support the Democrats. I watched some interview on CNN about these two guys who made internet videos or some shit supporting Obama in 08, but this time around they said they were disappointed. The reporter asked if they were gonna vote for Romney since they were clearly not happy with Obama, as if Romney was the only other option. I've become convinced that we need to reform the entire electoral system if we want a more representative democracy, because first past the post and the resulting two-party system is not working. It's pretty fucked up when you vote for the guy you don't want because the guy you really don't want might win
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If those hospitals were reimbursed by the government then obviously they wouldn't go out of business. How do we come up with the money? Well stop throwing it away for one.

Having everyone covered by some sort of public option insurance would be a good step in the right direction. People pay taxes no matter what - we're not discussing that. What we're discussing is the misappropriation of those taxes on things that do not concern US citizens.

That is a misappropriation of funds. As someone who has insurance and never uses it (I've been to the hospital twice in my live, the aforementioned ER visit and another one when I was a kid and was temporarily paralyzed from the neck down) I would rather not be forced to pay for people who are in an out of medical facilities and who are requesting services that they can't cover on their own or with privatized health insurance. Ideally I'd be willing to pay the govt the same amount anyways and have the money to go better things, but that's not how it works. If a service is not there, you are simply not taxed for it.
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That is a misappropriation of funds. As someone who has insurance and never uses it (I've been to the hospital twice in my live, the aforementioned ER visit and another one when I was a kid and was temporarily paralyzed from the neck down) I would rather not be forced to pay for people who are in an out of medical facilities and who are requesting services that they can't cover on their own or with privatized health insurance. Ideally I'd be willing to pay the govt the same amount anyways and have the money to go better things, but that's not how it works. If a service is not there, you are simply not taxed for it.


I have insurance and never use it. You basically just came out in support of Obama/Romney care
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1. end the wars
2. cut military budget in half
3. Remove all overseas bases unless they (the residing country) pay us to be there
4. End all subsidies

Bam just fixed all our budget problems and then some. We could pay for health care for every man, woman, and child 3 times over.

And if this is still some sort of gigantic insurmountable problem, here's an idea that could possibly do just as well:

- Place some sort of small tax, per transaction, on every stock, bond, or equity buy/sell. Maybe no more than $0.25 at most. And before everyone jumps down my throat for suggesting such heresay, the US was doing this until the early/mid 60's.
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Is this supposed to be challenging?

I know, right?



Either trying to get troll-cred up to the max by going codemayhem full retard, or ... went full retard. You never go full retard.

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Simple and effective I love it.

Thats the one thing I fully agree with Ron paul on is his foreign policy.

yeah we need more left of center versions of him
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