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Yes, you are right, however...

There is no candidate you can vote for who has a chance in hell of actually getting elected, in this election cycle, who will bend the arc of history more towards what your long term goals are besides the current president.

You think romney is on board with your 100 thousand year plan? Or even your 10 year plan?

The only way a third party candidate is getting elected this year is if both romney and obama get caught fucking the pope in the ass live on HD TV...

Ideology is great but the real world doesn't have the time to wait for it in this case.
i agree, thats about the only way a gary johnson or paul could get elected this year.

However, is obama on board with my ideals either? Wha... no. Of course not! Thats why he.. ya know, pretends about thing and uh.. bombs the uh... smaller countries. Right? I mean.. obama has furthered the "war on drugs", has furthered the war(s), has not addressed or been honest about anything fundamental. So, my question is... how much worse could romney be, exactly?
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Everything. It's a childish idealistic desire for perfection which is unattainable in the real world. From your house to your wife to your car and friends you're going to be compromising for the rest of your life. Nothing is perfect.



Yes.

But if you strive for perfection and follow a well reasoned plan with continual reassessments to gauge its effectiveness and are willing to modify your plan you will end up with something much more pleasant than if you start with a shitty plan.


How can anyone truly support a shit plan as a starting point unless they don't really care how everyone else is affected and only want immediate gratification?
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i agree, thats about the only way a gary johnson or paul could get elected this year.

However, is obama on board with my ideals either? Wha... no. Of course not! Thats why he.. ya know, pretends about thing and uh.. bombs the uh... smaller countries. Right? I mean.. obama has furthered the "war on drugs", has furthered the war(s), has not addressed or been honest about anything fundamental. So, my question is... how much worse could romney be, exactly?

Just on tax policy alone, very worse.

Under Romney/Ryan, someone like Romney wouldn't even need to hide his money overseas or in shell companies or whatever. He would literally pay less than 1%, and that one percent is only from his speaking engagements which actually get taxed as income.

Just to break down the numbers, that would be 25 million dollars in tax free capital gains and 25% on $500k which he makes in speaking engagements, for a total combined tax rate of LESS THAN ONE MOTHERFUCKING PERCENT.

Obama is actually so fucking liberal that he believes that capital gains and income should be taxed at similar rates, just like that fucking commie, socialist, liberal, RONALD FUCKING REAGAN. And that we should go back to the tax rates we had under Clinton, which was the only time in recent history when we actually came close to paying all our bills.

There are real differences between the parties and their candidates. don't be fooled.
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Yes.

But if you strive for perfection and follow a well reasoned plan with continual reassessments to gauge its effectiveness and are willing to modify your plan you will end up with something much more pleasant than if you start with a shitty plan.


How can anyone truly support a shit plan as a starting point unless they don't really care how everyone else is affected and only want immediate gratification?

Hey, hold on to your dreams of perfection.

Maybe you can see yourself retire without ever seeing them come to fruition like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich...
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Just on tax policy alone, very worse.

Under Romney/Ryan, someone like Romney wouldn't even need to hide his money overseas or in shell companies or whatever. He would literally pay less than 1%, and that one percent is only from his speaking engagements which actually get taxed as income.

Just to break down the numbers, that would be 25 million dollars in tax free capital gains and 25% on $500k which he makes in speaking engagements, for a total combined tax rate of LESS THAN ONE MOTHERFUCKING PERCENT.

Obama is actually so fucking liberal that he believes that capital gains and income should be taxed at similar rates, just like that fucking commie, socialist, liberal, RONALD FUCKING REAGAN. And that we should go back to the tax rates we had under Clinton, which was the only time in recent history when we actually came close to paying all our bills.

There are real differences between the parties and their candidates. don't be fooled.

Ok. I admittedly do not know enough to stand ground here. So provided all of the facts you stated are facts, I would have to concede, but ask the question, if obama is of the disposition that capital gains and income should be taxed around the same rate, why has nothing been done about it? And if the answer isnt "he is trying to do something about (explanation if kind)" , then is the answer "because wars cooler"?
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Ok. I admittedly do not know enough to stand ground here. So provided all of the facts you stated are facts, I would have to concede, but ask the question, if obama is of the disposition that capital gains and income should be taxed around the same rate, why has nothing been done about it? And if the answer isnt "he is trying to do something about (explanation if kind)" , then is the answer "because wars cooler"?

The president is not a dictator or a wizard. He has to work with congress and congress ultimately has most of the power, especially when we are talking about taxing or spending.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...congress-ever/
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Hey, hold on to your dreams of perfection.

Maybe you can see yourself retire without ever seeing them come to fruition like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich...


I don't have dreams of perfection, I have dreams of improvement.

For myself I think it works better to concentrate on small goals that follow each other quickly instead of always thinking about a giant long term plan. So I guess I use the immediate gratification sway also. But I use it better myself instead of selling out everyone else's prosperity and health in exchange for money.


and yeah there are differences between the parties but look at them from a wider perspective. The world is ruled according to profit and our system has been refined to do the bidding of money. The differences that look large to you would look smaller if you expanded your perspective because the future will be similar with either party ruling.


and don't confuse Obama as a liberal because that is someone who is always willing to give consideration to an idea. That is not him.
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The president is not a dictator or a wizard. He has to work with congress and congress ultimately has most of the power, especially when we are talking about taxing or spending.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...congress-ever/
Fair counter point there. True. But uh.. but we ARE in agreement that hes like.. all for war? Taking into account congresses sway and all, he still goes for it. Because a good president would put much more focus into the issues that are harming the country from within, rather than waging holy wars with mohammed and friends, right?
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I'm sorry but I do see a wide perspective.

One party is about realistically solving our budget problems and modestly shrinking our global empire and the other is all about unrealistic magical numbers and hot, steamy, full speed ahead global empire. One party at least attempts modest reforms, the other says, fuck the rules. One party believes in the value of labor, the other says just get another job or two. One party is ruled by realistic pragmatists who have a better historical record on the economy, the other is ruled by jingoistic political neophytes who believe in ideology above all else, including reality.

I'm sorry but they are not the same.

And the outcome of this election will not only have a lasting outcome on the political, financial and militaristic future of our nation, it will also determine our future supreme court and whether or not billionaires can buy out elections.

Believe the turd sandwich and the giant douche are the same at all our peril...
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Fair counter point there. True. But uh.. but we ARE in agreement that hes like.. all for war? Taking into account congresses sway and all, he still goes for it. Because a good president would put much more focus into the issues that are harming the country from within, rather than waging holy wars with mohammed and friends, right?

All our troops have been withdrawn from Iraq and we are on schedule to withdraw from Afghanistan...

Obama is more about drone attacks and bombing strikes than invasions and wars so far.
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Drone attacks and falling bombs are leagues better than invasions??? Come now!

Wait.. did you just separate aerial attacks from war?
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How much of our budget problem was alleviated in the almost four years of his current term?

How much did our global empire shrink during the same time?


I never claimed them to be the same so I don't know what you are sorry about.
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Oh and I guess the other main point there would be, once they were withdrawn from iraq.... they should have went back to america. Right?
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Drone attacks and falling bombs are leagues better than invasions??? Come now!

Wait.. did you just separate aerial attacks from war?

From a cost perspective. Yes.
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How much of our budget problem was alleviated in the almost four years of his current term?
We ended a war and saved a little money on medicare.

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How much did our global empire shrink during the same time?
We canned a few new boats and a modern fighter jet...
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